Animal Rights Activist

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by essexchondro

Probably not, but that because I would be emotionally involved and thinking with my heart and not my head. Science shouldn't be about emotion, and the kinds of decisions your talking about should be made objectively, not emotionally.

emotionally, ok so the murderer is emotionally killing his victims. the rapist is emotionally involved with his victim. rape is about dominance not emotion. phaedophiles do what they do because they understand normal emotion. i dont think so.
i was aquainted once, years ago with a guy, and, i didnt know it at the time, but his son was a phaedophile. and he totally agreed with me. in fact he would castrate them first.

[essexchondro]

you cannot compare what happened to jews etc with what these pervs do. if you do then its your mind thats warped. i dont believe its ok to be cruel to humans, but obviously the three categories i speak of do.

You're missing the point. For the Nazi's it was acceptable to treat Jews, disabled people, and gypsies in that way because, as far as they were concerned, those types of people were just as "scummy" as you say murderer's, rapists, and paedo's are. The Nazi's didn't think they were doing anything wrong just like you don't see anything wrong with what you're suggesting we should do with murderers, rapists, and paedo's.

[arthur cooke]

I cannot imagine what I would do if some thing happened to one of my family,
devastated and want revenge, the normal human reaction to an event like that, I might be inclined to go after whoever had done it but society would stop me.
I would like justice, not torture.
cheers arthur

[ratboy]

Originally Posted by Lynne

yes, but that doesnt make what happens in this country right. i am just pointing out the alternatives. does anyone else have any to point out? and as i said at one point in this country, this was done. bet it didnt cost millions to keep them in prisons then.

It doesn't make using people for medical experiments right either.

Many murderers do so because they are mentally ill or at the very least a bit unhinged at the time of the event. Maybe they themselves have been the victims of abuse and fought back and murdered their abuser...

Would it be right to use these people for experimentation too ?

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by essexchondro

You're missing the point. For the Nazi's it was acceptable to treat Jews, disabled people, and gypsies in that way because, as far as they were concerned, those types of people were just as "scummy" as you say murderer's, rapists, and paedo's are. The Nazi's didn't think they were doing anything wrong just like you don't see anything wrong with what you're suggesting we should do with murderers, rapists, and paedo's.

as i say, this is for another thread. its unbelievable that people here are all in favour of these sickos rights, and are giving no thought to the punishment they are getting or the victims rights. perhaps pm's or msn would suffice for a proper debate. i love a debate.

[essexchondro]

emotionally, ok so the murderer is emotionally killing his victims. the rapist is emotionally involved with his victim. rape is about dominance not emotion. phaedophiles do what they do because they understand normal emotion. i dont think so.
i was aquainted once, years ago with a guy, and, i didnt know it at the time, but his son was a phaedophile. and he totally agreed with me. in fact he would castrate them first.

But science should be about rationalism, logic and objectivity. You want to use these people as guinea pigs in order to punish them (and I agree they don't get punished enough!), but the point of scientific experiments is to get scientifically valid results, not punish criminals. I don't believe you could get those results using people as guinea pigs (for reasons I've already highlighted) so where is the logic in using these people and how would it improve things for us?

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by arthur cooke

I cannot imagine what I would do if some thing happened to one of my family,
devastated and want revenge, the normal human reaction to an event like that, I might be inclined to go after whoever had done it but society would stop me.
I would like justice, not torture.
cheers arthur

i know these feelings believe me. and prison is not justice. torture would be for what families have to live with for the rest of thier lives. our society are not for victims at all. perpetrators sign away all rights when they shove a knife in someone. imo

[Rikki]

Originally Posted by Lynne

as i say, this is for another thread. its unbelievable that people here are all in favour of these sickos rights

Not all murderers are bad people, this is very naive. EssexChondro is right, animal testing is an issue which should be viewed objectively, void of emotion.

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by essexchondro

But science should be about rationalism, logic and objectivity. You want to use these people as guinea pigs in order to punish them (and I agree they don't get punished enough!), but the point of scientific experiments is to get scientifically valid results, not punish criminals. I don't believe you could get those results using people as guinea pigs (for reasons I've already highlighted).

NO. the victorians did use them. and i agree with that way of thinking. i make no apologies. its an alternative.

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by Rikki

Not all murderers are bad people, this is very naive. EssexChondro is right, animal testing is an issue which should be viewed objectively, void of emotion.

jeez i laughed outloud at that. most murders are premeditated. its these murderers i mean. not the man or woman being beaten and killing to save thier own life. and believe me, at this point in time i am void of emotion.