Animal Rights Activist

[ownedbyroxy]

Originally Posted by arthur cooke

As a person who fought tooth and claw to stop ARs from stopping us from keeping reptiles I was relieved to see that you aren't really AR.

Vivisection is a much abused word,it's no longer safe to use that word, animals in research aren't cut to pieces nowadays, much research is genetic, using animals that have been genetically altered to resemble humans.

If research is done to make human life better, whether or not they cut the animal, then I'm all for it. Because the result can be cures for some of the diseases that afflict us. Imagine the millions that would be saved if it led to a cure for AIDS. So I'm in full support for research using animals.

The anti fur lobby have done a great deal of damage to our country side by releasing mink, many of their videos are put up jobs,this is also the case with the anti vivisectionists.

Hopefully now those terrorists from SHAC have been jailed we'll see and end to some of this nonsense.
cheers arthur

VERY WELL SAID!!! everything said was spot on

[essexchondro]

Hi all,
I decided to do a post here as some issues have been popping up with a few of my threads recently.

I'll explain. I am an AR activist. I am vegan and go to protests about fur/vivisection etc. I try to lie my life without hurting other life, basically.

This is who I am and I make no apologies for it. I would stand up for your right not to be hurt, for the right of your children not to be hurt, and of course for the right of the animals in your care not to be hurt.

I find RFUK wonderful. I came to snakes (my only reps so far) by accident as there was one about to be killed. I couldn't let an animal be killed so I said I'd take him. I came here, bought books, consulted my vet and asked my local herp dude for advice. Adam is doing soooooooo well now and is a big beautiful boy and I am thrilled and thank RFUK (my first port of call always) for that help.

I am still AR though.

I recently had a rescue siamese kitten and needed advice on siamese cats. I have had cats all my life but the breeding changes them and I wanted her to be happy. So I consulted a siamese site and got the advice I needed.

I never hide who I am. Ever. I am AR and bloody proud of it. I don't expect others to be (though I'd love if they were obviously). My Boyfriend eats meat and my family bred dogs (till my granny died - it was her hobby).

I know the way the media works and that many will think I am about to dig up their grannies......

It is NOT the case. I respect life end of story and as far as non-human animals are concerned yes, I have a serious problem with putting a price on life, but that is an issue that I will take up with anyone at their discretion. Discuss it yes, when you want to bring it up.

However if and when I am attacked I will defend myself pretty much like little Eve, rattle my tail a bit then bite!

I am a very easygoing person and can discuss anything rationally, but if my personal care of my "babies" is called into question I will basically fight back with all I have. Rescue is the one aspect of my life that I am bloomin proud of and I know I do well.

We are not crazy you know! Ask me any question about being AR and I will give you a straight answer.

Thanks and once again, thanks for all the advice with the snakes!
Cat
PS pics: Adam and Eve - PICS AT LAST!!!!

Then you aren't an animal rights activist, IMO. Terrorists tend not to be easygoing and rational.

[Meko]

Originally Posted by cat1974

Hi all,
I decided to do a post here as some issues have been popping up with a few of my threads recently.

I'll explain. I am an AR activist. I am vegan and go to protests about fur/vivisection etc. I try to lie my life without hurting other life, basically.

This is who I am and I make no apologies for it. I would stand up for your right not to be hurt, for the right of your children not to be hurt, and of course for the right of the animals in your care not to be hurt.

I find RFUK wonderful. I came to snakes (my only reps so far) by accident as there was one about to be killed. I couldn't let an animal be killed so I said I'd take him. I came here, bought books, consulted my vet and asked my local herp dude for advice. Adam is doing soooooooo well now and is a big beautiful boy and I am thrilled and thank RFUK (my first port of call always) for that help.

I am still AR though.

I recently had a rescue siamese kitten and needed advice on siamese cats. I have had cats all my life but the breeding changes them and I wanted her to be happy. So I consulted a siamese site and got the advice I needed.

I never hide who I am. Ever. I am AR and bloody proud of it. I don't expect others to be (though I'd love if they were obviously). My Boyfriend eats meat and my family bred dogs (till my granny died - it was her hobby).

I know the way the media works and that many will think I am about to dig up their grannies......

It is NOT the case. I respect life end of story and as far as non-human animals are concerned yes, I have a serious problem with putting a price on life, but that is an issue that I will take up with anyone at their discretion. Discuss it yes, when you want to bring it up.

However if and when I am attacked I will defend myself pretty much like little Eve, rattle my tail a bit then bite!

I am a very easygoing person and can discuss anything rationally, but if my personal care of my "babies" is called into question I will basically fight back with all I have. Rescue is the one aspect of my life that I am bloomin proud of and I know I do well.

We are not crazy you know! Ask me any question about being AR and I will give you a straight answer.

Thanks and once again, thanks for all the advice with the snakes!
Cat
PS pics: http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/snake...pics-last.html

make your mind up.. if you were easy going wouldn't you discuss it rationally if the personal care of your 'babies' was called into question

[Barney_M]

so your an animals right activist? what do you feed your snakes? mice that were gased or trown in a freezer or kncoked on the head or meat from a cow or something that was taken through a slaughter house?

[dragonbreeder]

having read the first post and not seing what provoked it and presuming it was just a random post.
i have come to the conclusion that the OP thought that it would be a touchy subject for a good "debate" which, due to the current state of our hobby with so many against it, has instead turned into an argument.
or, at least, having only read the first and last post
will turn into an argument very soon.

Erik

[Alex88]

i can see this getting way out of hand, its good to see people not wishing to hurt animals, but IMO if your keeping retiles which do happen to be carnivors then your a hippocrate because something has had to suffer for the nutrition and welfair of the reptile. Just because you didnt do the killing doesnt mean it never happened, your like most other people. Out of site and out of mind. No offence, i wouldnt come here claiming your a AR Activist because you might feel you are but truely your not, your someone who cares and loves animals and i think everyone one here would possibly agree that they love theirs too. But what your claiming is that your an AR activest then you shouldnt keep ANY animals, thats all i can be bothered to say, good luck

[Skyespirit86]

I don't think it's wrong of you to come on here apparently unnecessarily to justify yourself. Many people do have negative view of animal rights activists and I realise you are probably a sensitive person like me, who doesn't feel particularly confident about being disliked or disagreed with, even if you really do stand by what you're saying... and you put yourself up in the line of fire so to speak with your views...it's hard. I suppose I started off slightly activist in my views but now I tend to be in the half way house on most subjects after researching them (not saying you haven't). Maybe I'm more 'animal welfare' now rather than activist. I do my best but within logical, achievable means that at least make some difference, even if they're not the 'ideal' which can be literally impossible to successfully achieve, and in the meantime you're working yourself into such an emotional draining state, getting angry, and hurt.

Take animal testing...I don't think small tests (which make up the majority of tests done)are terrible, eg diet manipulation and stuff like that. Things like vivisection and invasive procedures etc are very hard for me to take in or justify at all, however I don't think people enjoy doing them. There are laws in place, and people exposed doing terrible things are usually breaking the law. However it is true that not all animal tests can be replaced by test-tube methods, and without sometests really important medicines and advances wouldn't have been made. If it really was a case of saving my mum from cancer or a rabbit say, going through some pain...terrible or not...I know which I'd pick. And it's not because i think it's ok to hurt the rabbit.

Anyway, whether your views are the same as mine is nt important. I really do understand your respect for life. I hate knowing something has died, or hurting anything- it hurts me, REALLY bad. I respect each animal as an individual with a life just like mine and it's so hard...but sometimes I just have to let it go.

I am quite ante-dairy, and at the least don't have fresh milk. I wish it wasn't in other foods because it's extremely hard to eliminate. I have been on all the websites...and have got very frustrated over the years when people won't respect a dead animal as having been a real life, or that dairy could be cruel...etc etc.

I think where some activists go wrong is like I said, they shoot for the ideal, instead of what is really achieveable, and if you try and be logical you are seen as not really caring or being weak. There are many different aspects to making changes in a society and you must think about how REAL people, whether you like them or not, will be thinking and responding and be clever so you can make SOME difference, and not just piss them off and make none. Over time these small changes can become big ones.

Anyway...there's lots I could say but I don't want to go on anymore...

Good luck.

[Skyespirit86]

Originally Posted by dragonbreeder

having read the first post and not seing what provoked it and presuming it was just a random post.
i have come to the conclusion that the OP thought that it would be a touchy subject for a good "debate" which, due to the current state of our hobby with so many against it, has instead turned into an argument.
or, at least, having only read the first and last post
will turn into an argument very soon.

Erik

I don't.

They said they love the forum and they keep a snake?? So they're ante-themselves? The person sounds quite genuine, and a caring type of person who wants to tell people how they feel and be accepted for it, or perhaps find someone who knows what they're trying to say and appreciates it properly for once. I don't find it easy being knowledgeable or caring about certain subjects...

I think you are reacting as though it is touchy...but they weren't treating it like that. I don't see how this thread is really going to go out of hand either...unless you make it. ?????

[Skyespirit86]

Originally Posted by essexchondro

Then you aren't an animal rights activist, IMO. Terrorists tend not to be easygoing and rational.

Animal rights activist is just a way to describe someone who is standing up for their animal-rights beliefs. They don't have to be nuts. It is only the ones who make the news and stuff which you are thinking of and it's very judgmental of you. I know some can be extreme or offensive with the way they conduct themselves even in a debate, but if you're just the kind who likes to hand out leaflets or make peaceful protests at the worst, you're hardely akin to a terrorist. Sometimes things are wrong, and it would be the right thing to stand up for it...

[ratboy]

Originally Posted by Skyespirit86

Animal rights activist is just a way to describe someone who is standing up for their animal-rights beliefs.

How many Animal Rights activists have you actually met ? What you are describing is an Animal Rights campaigner... there is a big difference.