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make your mind up.. if you were easy going wouldn't you discuss it rationally if the personal care of your 'babies' was called into question
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so your an animals right activist? what do you feed your snakes? mice that were gased or trown in a freezer or kncoked on the head or meat from a cow or something that was taken through a slaughter house?
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i can see this getting way out of hand, its good to see people not wishing to hurt animals, but IMO if your keeping retiles which do happen to be carnivors then your a hippocrate because something has had to suffer for the nutrition and welfair of the reptile. Just because you didnt do the killing doesnt mean it never happened, your like most other people. Out of site and out of mind. No offence, i wouldnt come here claiming your a AR Activist because you might feel you are but truely your not, your someone who cares and loves animals and i think everyone one here would possibly agree that they love theirs too. But what your claiming is that your an AR activest then you shouldnt keep ANY animals, thats all i can be bothered to say, good luck
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I don't think it's wrong of you to come on here apparently unnecessarily to justify yourself. Many people do have negative view of animal rights activists and I realise you are probably a sensitive person like me, who doesn't feel particularly confident about being disliked or disagreed with, even if you really do stand by what you're saying... and you put yourself up in the line of fire so to speak with your views...it's hard. I suppose I started off slightly activist in my views but now I tend to be in the half way house on most subjects after researching them (not saying you haven't). Maybe I'm more 'animal welfare' now rather than activist. I do my best but within logical, achievable means that at least make some difference, even if they're not the 'ideal' which can be literally impossible to successfully achieve, and in the meantime you're working yourself into such an emotional draining state, getting angry, and hurt.
Take animal testing...I don't think small tests (which make up the majority of tests done)are terrible, eg diet manipulation and stuff like that. Things like vivisection and invasive procedures etc are very hard for me to take in or justify at all, however I don't think people enjoy doing them. There are laws in place, and people exposed doing terrible things are usually breaking the law. However it is true that not all animal tests can be replaced by test-tube methods, and without sometests really important medicines and advances wouldn't have been made. If it really was a case of saving my mum from cancer or a rabbit say, going through some pain...terrible or not...I know which I'd pick. And it's not because i think it's ok to hurt the rabbit. Anyway, whether your views are the same as mine is nt important. I really do understand your respect for life. I hate knowing something has died, or hurting anything- it hurts me, REALLY bad. I respect each animal as an individual with a life just like mine and it's so hard...but sometimes I just have to let it go. I am quite ante-dairy, and at the least don't have fresh milk. I wish it wasn't in other foods because it's extremely hard to eliminate. I have been on all the websites...and have got very frustrated over the years when people won't respect a dead animal as having been a real life, or that dairy could be cruel...etc etc. I think where some activists go wrong is like I said, they shoot for the ideal, instead of what is really achieveable, and if you try and be logical you are seen as not really caring or being weak. There are many different aspects to making changes in a society and you must think about how REAL people, whether you like them or not, will be thinking and responding and be clever so you can make SOME difference, and not just piss them off and make none. Over time these small changes can become big ones. Anyway...there's lots I could say but I don't want to go on anymore... Good luck.
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Holly Brigden wants everyone to know that International Animal Rescue and the Animal Protection Agency are a complete bunch of utter wa***rs- stuff your bulls**t and misguided views up your arse you smelly tree hugging to**ers. View the damaging and false video which they promote here http://www.apa.org.uk. Please add this to your sig if you agree. Peace and love
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They said they love the forum and they keep a snake?? So they're ante-themselves? The person sounds quite genuine, and a caring type of person who wants to tell people how they feel and be accepted for it, or perhaps find someone who knows what they're trying to say and appreciates it properly for once. I don't find it easy being knowledgeable or caring about certain subjects... I think you are reacting as though it is touchy...but they weren't treating it like that. I don't see how this thread is really going to go out of hand either...unless you make it. ?????
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Holly Brigden wants everyone to know that International Animal Rescue and the Animal Protection Agency are a complete bunch of utter wa***rs- stuff your bulls**t and misguided views up your arse you smelly tree hugging to**ers. View the damaging and false video which they promote here http://www.apa.org.uk. Please add this to your sig if you agree. Peace and love
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Animal rights activist is just a way to describe someone who is standing up for their animal-rights beliefs. They don't have to be nuts. It is only the ones who make the news and stuff which you are thinking of and it's very judgmental of you. I know some can be extreme or offensive with the way they conduct themselves even in a debate, but if you're just the kind who likes to hand out leaflets or make peaceful protests at the worst, you're hardely akin to a terrorist. Sometimes things are wrong, and it would be the right thing to stand up for it...
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Holly Brigden wants everyone to know that International Animal Rescue and the Animal Protection Agency are a complete bunch of utter wa***rs- stuff your bulls**t and misguided views up your arse you smelly tree hugging to**ers. View the damaging and false video which they promote here http://www.apa.org.uk. Please add this to your sig if you agree. Peace and love
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