british reptile culture?? backstabbers paradise??

[lefty]

iv decided to write this thread and see what others think. over the past few years iv come back to the british reptile scene after living abroad for a number of years. when i left engleand in 90 the reptile scene was nothing like what its become. i went to germany and lived there in munster westfalen, luckily about 20 mins in a car from hamm. i witnessed a big difference in their reptile scene. unlike the brits they never slanged off, belittled, humiliated or took the mick out of any new comer. it was so rare to come across a scammer. everyone wanted to help every one. if one had a problem the rest helped. the prices and quality were way above in some species and some species that werent seen in the uk. i know of a forum thats just started here in the uk. they started to try and eradicated all the backstabbing and slateing of beginners that happens on some forums. i myself put hours and weeks of work into it! but now after a few months the admin and fat controller have become power pissed and started doing all the things that they said they stood against!! what is it about brits that make them do this. tonight they BANNED me! i was a moderator and spent hours every day on there and all i did was miss an on line meeting!! oh and after receiving a realy nasty pm from the owner i sent one back asking him not to talk to me like that. guess what he didnt like it and banned me! banned me!! i cant beleive it!! only months does it take to turn them all into what they dispised about other sites! is the nepoleon symdrom or something??? theres alsorts of backstabbing and sligh tricks that go on and its really hard to figure whos a decent bloke and who isnt! hornet, or what ever hes called is a perfect xsample of this! i know some breeders that wont use any forum!! nowe thats amazing!!i know of some amazing top breeders here in the uk and cant beleive some f the stories they come out with about people that they have dealt with over the years.

[Rob Wallace]

Thats seems to be he UK way mate,

And the tough thing is not getting drawn into it...

[lefty]

sorry for my rant but i really do think strongly about this. beginners are the ones that will keep the hobby going. young lads wanting burms shouldnt be laughed at [ shame they dont read a few threads b4 they post i know]. the sam old drivel from the sam old mouths. some i know cant be helped NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TELL THEM!! the scammers! who the hell do they think they are?? taking peoples hard earned cash! and think we are so gullable to fall for it!! scum the lot of them! i saw this happen once in the 14 years i was there and it was a dutch teenager who thought he could earnabit. he nevers sold another thing. and lastley husbandry,. why is it that people over here constantly attack each others husbandry?? instead of having ago, slating or belittling say some thing privately and politely. people are scared to put up pics because something in the background catches some ones eye and a barage of abuse follows!! its time to change the way the hobby is imo

[SiUK]

I see the same thing on american forums

[lefty]

Originally Posted by Rob Wallace

Thats seems to be he UK way mate,

And the tough thing is not getting drawn into it...

that last bit is so true mate! if i needed advice id ask for it in private on any brit forum just to avoid the shit that you have to siv through to get the answer! go on a european site and you can ask publicly any question you want. it doesnt matter what the question, how long youv been keepin, how old you are and no questions back about the size of the viv in the photo!! for all they know a small viv was used to keep the snake still or the lizard in one place for the pic!!

[Rob Wallace]

Originally Posted by lefty

sorry for my rant but i really do think strongly about this. beginners are the ones that will keep the hobby going. young lads wanting burms shouldnt be laughed at [ shame they dont read a few threads b4 they post i know]. the sam old drivel from the sam old mouths. some i know cant be helped NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TELL THEM!! the scammers! who the hell do they think they are?? taking peoples hard earned cash! and think we are so gullable to fall for it!! scum the lot of them! i saw this happen once in the 14 years i was there and it was a dutch teenager who thought he could earnabit. he nevers sold another thing. and lastley husbandry,. why is it that people over here constantly attack each others husbandry?? instead of having ago, slating or belittling say some thing privately and politely. people are scared to put up pics because something in the background catches some ones eye and a barage of abuse follows!! its time to change the way the hobby is imo

I agree mate, but to be honest that is the danger of forums.... everyones an expert.... everyones the next " BIG BREEDER" ......And it all starts with the new guys.... they come in, they get verbal.... u shudnt do it like this... ur temps are all wrong.... u cant keep a royal in a 4x2x2 viv....( so that guy gets it from the start.... but he learns.... and then as soon as a less experienced person comes a long he sees his chance to show his new knowledge...and guess what he says) temps are wrong , humiditys wrong...vivs too big/small.

I hear folk on here say that the top american breeders are cruel... and doing it all wrong ( WHO THE Do THEY THINK THEY ARE) ... Yeah 2 months on a forum and you are the authority on the keeping of snakes... i know who i would be copying... and trust me it aint the Forumite

It all comes down to armchair experts sharing their knowledge. Even the guys that have been in it a bit longer... are responsible of doing it.... newbies see us do it and they think its the way.

But its a catch 22.... do we share the knowledge... do we not share the knowledge. Do we do it privately..... if so... Why have a forum????

You have raised a good point mate.

[lefty]

Originally Posted by SiUK

I see the same thing on american forums

that surprises me alittle as iv not come across it. is it as bad as here? the only sites iv been on in the states were all pretty desent. tegutalk is brilliant. but iv only been on a few so havnt seen it.

[lefty]

Originally Posted by Rob Wallace

I agree mate, but to be honest that is the danger of forums.... everyones an expert.... everyones the next " BIG BREEDER" ......And it all starts with the new guys.... they come in, they get verbal.... u shudnt do it like this... ur temps are all wrong.... u cant keep a royal in a 4x2x2 viv....( so that guy gets it from the start.... but he learns.... and then as soon as a less experienced person comes a long he sees his chance to show his new knowledge...and guess what he says) temps are wrong , humiditys wrong...vivs too big/small.

I hear folk on here say that the top american breeders are cruel... and doing it all wrong ( WHO THE Do THEY THINK THEY ARE) ... Yeah 2 months on a forum and you are the authority on the keeping of snakes... i know who i would be copying... and trust me it aint the Forumite

It all comes down to armchair experts sharing their knowledge. Even the guys that have been in it a bit longer... are responsible of doing it.... newbies see us do it and they think its the way.

But its a catch 22.... do we share the knowledge... do we not share the knowledge. Do we do it privately..... if so... Why have a forum????

You have raised a good point mate.

iv been into reptiles for over 30 years but im not an expert on anything. if i know the answer to a question i will answer. but if i dont i wont write anything, and most of the time i will keep my eye on that thread and learn some thing new when it finally gets answered properly. your right, too many ignorant armchair xperts that dont like it when they are ask some thing they dont know! i think they would seem alot more intelligent if they said " you know, i havnt a clue but i'll try and find out" rather than fill you with aload of bullshit!

i see what you mean about passing the knowledge. it is a catch 22. oh well back to siving through all the crap eh !!

[loobylou211]

blimey Lefty, is that the site I was invited to join??....well sounds like ur better off without them, dont let the buggers get u down.....!

Unfortunately this is the way of the UK, nobody wants to help anyone else out anymore.......its all me, me, me...... No support or understanding!

[cooljules]

Originally Posted by lefty

iv decided to write this thread and see what others think. over the past few years iv come back to the british reptile scene after living abroad for a number of years. when i left engleand in 90 the reptile scene was nothing like what its become. i went to germany and lived there in munster westfalen, luckily about 20 mins in a car from hamm. i witnessed a big difference in their reptile scene. unlike the brits they never slanged off, belittled, humiliated or took the mick out of any new comer. it was so rare to come across a scammer. everyone wanted to help every one. if one had a problem the rest helped. the prices and quality were way above in some species and some species that werent seen in the uk. i know of a forum thats just started here in the uk. they started to try and eradicated all the backstabbing and slateing of beginners that happens on some forums. i myself put hours and weeks of work into it! but now after a few months the admin and fat controller have become power pissed and started doing all the things that they said they stood against!! what is it about brits that make them do this. tonight they BANNED me! i was a moderator and spent hours every day on there and all i did was miss an on line meeting!! oh and after receiving a realy nasty pm from the owner i sent one back asking him not to talk to me like that. guess what he didnt like it and banned me! banned me!! i cant beleive it!! only months does it take to turn them all into what they dispised about other sites! is the nepoleon symdrom or something??? theres alsorts of backstabbing and sligh tricks that go on and its really hard to figure whos a decent bloke and who isnt! hornet, or what ever hes called is a perfect xsample of this! i know some breeders that wont use any forum!! nowe thats amazing!!i know of some amazing top breeders here in the uk and cant beleive some f the stories they come out with about people that they have dealt with over the years.

why come back?? im miss germany like hell