for once a bad pet shop gets prosecuted

[mask-of-sanity]

Originally Posted by wacky69

i think before everyone starts slagging off they need to get all the information!!! 2.5years to bring it to court cos it took the bloody rspca that long to actually find something to charge them with!!!!

We know the person who this concerns and you honestly couldnt meet a better person, they are totally gutted with this and they are 100% backed by the best rep vet in the north east who is incredibly passionate about reptiles and is normally on the prosecution side not defence side!

Also the rspca jumped to random conclusions about the reps without any vet intervention and failed to do any tests or anything to confirm that the reps were infact at risk!

I wouldnt how long it would take before this appeared and everyone jumping on the band wagon but maybe the full facts must be learnt beforehand instead of presumptions!

at the end of the day who ever this is was found guilty, so something was wrong with the way these animals had been kept

[sarasin]

Originally Posted by boromale2008

the person whose petshop it was is a member on this forum because i used to visit the shop.

Yes she is a member and you have bought from her before. You are all jumping on the pics in the paper, the house was a bloody mess I agree, the leo pictured was a customers who brought it into the shop as they couldnt afford the vets bills, and it was under vet treatment. You dont know the facts the council don't know shit about animals, and the fact that her own vet (who is a prosocuting vet for the RSPCA) is a witness for her speaks for itself. Do you really think she would put her reputation on the line if she thought she was guilty. The court judged on the state of the house and nothing else, incedently why do you think they were not charged on any of the reptiles?
''They were found not guilty of 13 charges relating to reptiles, as the judge ruled the prosecution had put forward insufficient expert evidence''
this is a load of bollocks as well, expert my arse.

[sarasin]

Originally Posted by wacky69

i think before everyone starts slagging off they need to get all the information!!! 2.5years to bring it to court cos it took the bloody rspca that long to actually find something to charge them with!!!!

We know the person who this concerns and you honestly couldnt meet a better person, they are totally gutted with this and they are 100% backed by the best rep vet in the north east who is incredibly passionate about reptiles and is normally on the prosecution side not defence side!

Also the rspca jumped to random conclusions about the reps without any vet intervention and failed to do any tests or anything to confirm that the reps were infact at risk!

I wouldnt how long it would take before this appeared and everyone jumping on the band wagon but maybe the full facts must be learnt beforehand instead of presumptions!

Meina just to clear something up, its the council NOT the RSPCA who are doing this.

[mark elliott]

i know a couple that need to be taken to court for how they run things but they always seem to get away with it and it's the animals that suffer and no one seems to really care and the pet shops always have a bullshit excuse and get away with it everytime. makes you wonder if some people somewhere are on the take or are people really blind

[wacky69]

Originally Posted by mask-of-sanity

at the end of the day who ever this is was found guilty, so something was wrong with the way these animals had been kept

at the end of the day we all know what the bloody RSPCA is like and there are numerous threads slagging them off for knowing bugger all!!

[boromale2008]

i bought as a beginner from there and even went to your house to pick the crested up, i was impressed with the set ups in your house because compared to the shop it was alot cleaner.
i did contact you about buying not so long ago until i realised who it was, obviously there cant be no smoke without fire.

[mask-of-sanity]

Originally Posted by wacky69

at the end of the day we all know what the bloody RSPCA is like and there are numerous threads slagging them off for knowing bugger all!!

thats true but they have eyes and can see whats around them, also from reading it was the council involved also

[Tops]

Well people can only go on the information they are given.
If they had to remove several corpses from vivs and cages its still an issue is it not?
Are the council now lying?
Its fine to defend your friends but unless you can also offer another story with photos for evidence its just your word against theirs.

[cooljules]

Originally Posted by mask-of-sanity

at the end of the day who ever this is was found guilty, so something was wrong with the way these animals had been kept

that isnt necc true..the rspca wanted to do me, cos they said my snakes looked sad, didnt have constant food etc (this was about 4 years ago) and threatend me with court action, i got some well respected herpers i know, 30 years exp some of them, well known people to back me...but the rspca didnt dare take me to court (i begged them too, seriously!)

often i have mega sick stuff get dumped on us, so come on a certain day and you can see really skinny stuff, and often i have no idea or where they like that brought it etc. no idea...just look at the cali king we had dumped, that died 20 min after getting here with that huge tumur...

I have some tattly old vivs, hand made etc as im crap at viv making, and some tanks that arnt the best looking (esp on fotos etc) but fine for the animals and yeah i wished a lot of the BD vivs were bigger, but they get let out...

turn up on certain days, esp the day all the snakes crap etc and piles of poo...sods law when people come but hey ho...

would love to see more details about this, thinking about it, its not clear cut...

i have a inckling...its more rspca fed stuff to the judge etc.(who would know naff all, and like most people, belive and respect them and not know the full feeling of them and reps)

if people here say they know them, and they DO know its not black and white, im more likley to belive it....

[sarasin]

Originally Posted by mask-of-sanity

at the end of the day who ever this is was found guilty, so something was wrong with the way these animals had been kept

The council said some were too hot, too cold etc but no temps were taken so how did they know, they took a dislike to them when the council were told (in the shop) they were idiots who didn't know their arse from there elbow. And from then on they were never off their backs.
And have you never heard of people being found guilty, only for it to emerge much later that they were innocent.