for once a bad pet shop gets prosecuted

[Nic B-C]

Originally Posted by wacky69

i just want to ad one thing. One newspaper says 8 dead animals another says 22 so why does everyone believe the one that says 22? is it cos you all like to think the worse about someone. This in itself shows how in-acurate newspaper articals can be

Thought just that myself, it was actually 468 dead animals all in the freezer if only they had all been piled up in the snakes rubs everything would have been fine!

[boromale2008]

out of the papers the evening gazette from my experience is the most reliable paper in this area and doesnt fabricate stories.

[Nic B-C]

Originally Posted by boromale2008

out of the papers the evening gazette from my experience is the most reliable paper in this area and doesnt fabricate stories.

They may not fabricate but can only goon details given as I said frommy case they usually only put details from prosecution not defence as they get all the information they want in a 30 minute snippet as opposed to sittin through a complete trial.

In this case there seems to be conflict on expert witnesses.

The whole reptile thing was thrown out due to this side of things, could be there was no case to answer could also mean a cock uip on that side of the prosecution at the end of the day we will never know unless we were there to actually witness what was found.

Ive been to literally hundreds of pet shops in my life and i can gauruntee I would find at least two dead, ill or even part eaten animals in each and every one of them.

Animals die for a number of reason neglect being just one of them.

All seems very starange that from a complaint on a rabbit run and subsequent visits this escalated into a raid.

Could be due to bad practice could be due to rival businesses putting on pressure, could be due to local authority doing a clamp down and wanting to make an example but we simply dont know and probably never will.

At the end of the day it makes no ecenomical sense to mistreat animal that you want to sell as at the end of the day you lose an animal and you lose your profit margin.

tropical fish for example have a massive morbidity level and ive noticed amphibians to be just as bad especially if moved during winter.

My local shop lost nearly two shipments in entirity during cold shipment.

Ive helped out in a large tropical fish shop as well and seen whole shipments die within two days of arrival, this wasnt neglect either unless you include the transporter.

[jack_rep]

Ive dealt with the couple in question a few times over the years, mainly when they were working at another pet shop in the area. In each dealing with them i didnt experience any problems if im honest. The care of the animals in that shops was far from perfect, but equally it did not seem negligent. The shop in question in the article that was shut down (which i think is the one the couple went on to set up?) however i wasnt impressed with at all. I dont recall details so i cant comment much. I do remember tho making a note however not to visit again.

Anyhow when people are moaning how it took 2.5 years to be prosecuted, that isnt to say it took this long for the animals to be siezed - it simply took this long for them to appear in court The shop in question was closed down very shortly after opening.

Regarding people saying you shouldnt read everything you read in the paper. The evening gazette isnt a daft tabliod. Its a respectable local paper. Many times it writes on issues I have a personal knowledge of, and ive never know it to lie or exagerate.

Many of the points raised in the article can be wished away with excuses, eg the sick leo could have easily been brought in by a neglectful customer. But that many animals being found dead on the one day? How can anyone excuse that? If you have so many animals that you dont have the time to even check if they are dead or not... ur probably not giving the animals the care they need.

[uroplatus]

Originally Posted by stephenie191

I don't understand why people are almost defending this petshop

If 3 leo's
were found to have STARVED TO DEATH not just died of unrelated diseases then surely that alone sets of alarm bells?

If any animal dies of Starvation in a pet shop then it should be shut down


- no excuse for that is there really? Thats all i'm saying


AND I DONT NEED TO READ THE THREAD AS I READ MANY OF THE GAZZETTE ARTICLES ON THIS AND HAVE MADE MY OWN MIND UP!

LIKE HOW THE RABBIT PENS WENT WITHOUT HAY OR FRESH SHAVINGS FOR MONTHS AT A TIME AND HOW THE SHOP STUNK!

BEFORE YOU READ THIS, I WAS SIGNED IN AS LAUREN, ITS SARASIN WHO HAS POSTED THIS.
You want to get your facts right, I guess I know who's shop you use (wouldn't be in Billingham by any chance?)
If pm's had been done on the animals they then would know what they died of wouldn't they. But they thought it was ok to say they died of starvation, well they would wouldn't they it cost money to do pm's.
In fact their 'vet' said in court it would have cost too much do do pm's. Hang on a minute this is someones life they are with so they should have damn well done them. As for the fact that the rabbits went without hay or fresh shavings for months, that is total crap. I should know I helped out in the shop enough, so are you calling me a liar.

[sarasin]

Originally Posted by boromale2008

out of the papers the evening gazette from my experience is the most reliable paper in this area and doesnt fabricate stories.

Bloody hell an honest paper you must be bloody joking. Unless you have someone who works for them, if so tell them to get an honest job.

[cooljules]

Originally Posted by uroplatus

BEFORE YOU READ THIS, I WAS SIGNED IN AS LAUREN, ITS SARASIN WHO HAS POSTED THIS.
You want to get your facts right, I guess I know who's shop you use (wouldn't be in Billingham by any chance?)
If pm's had been done on the animals they then would know what they died of wouldn't they. But they thought it was ok to say they died of starvation, well they would wouldn't they it cost money to do pm's.
In fact their 'vet' said in court it would have cost too much do do pm's. Hang on a minute this is someones life they are with so they should have damn well done them. As for the fact that the rabbits went without hay or fresh shavings for months, that is total crap. I should know I helped out in the shop enough, so are you calling me a liar.

how many times do i have to say this....geez...the lep gex that died...died AFTER the were removed from the shop, same as the monitors...god some people cant read or just dont want too. if they cant be bothered to read it all then they shouldnt comment

i spoke to a rep shop owner yesterday who knows her, knows the zoolologist and someone else involed in the prosectution side etc. and expects them to win on a appeal....

[sarasin]

Originally Posted by cooljules

how many times do i have to say this....geez...the lep gex that died...died AFTER the were removed from the shop, same as the monitors...god some people cant read or just dont want too. if they cant be bothered to read it all then they shouldnt comment

i spoke to a rep shop owner yesterday who knows her, knows the zoolologist and someone else involed in the prosectution side etc. and expects them to win on a appeal....

Is this comment aimed at me or Steph? sorry if its not me. Just had to edit this post.
I can read, so what difference does it make when the leo died. It doesn't prove shit without a pm, could have had a disease etc, the monitors died 12 - 18 months after the event, so what does that tell you. If they were so ill when removed they should have had veterinary treatment shouldn't they. But not one animal was treated by a vet, that in itself is cruelty in my opinion. What about all the rest that suddenly died 12-18 months later? I suppose that was the shops fault too !!!

[boromale2008]

so you saying the gazette is just full of lies then?? or just every paper that has posted this article?? the gazette prints local news not national bullshit.

[neep_neep]

Originally Posted by boromale2008

so you saying the gazette is just full of lies then?? or just every paper that has posted this article?? the gazette prints local news not national bullshit.

We have a local newspaper. Nice and respectable. They came to our school on results day - I opened my results when they were there and they asked for my name and what I was going to study at Uni.

Lo and behold, the very next day, they 'quoted' me as saying 'I'm so shocked, it's such a relief', etc. etc., when in fact all I had told them was my name and chosen course. If they were so keen to make things up for such a minor 'story' - it makes you wonder what they must do for the stories that are actually trying to sell the paper in the first place.

Papers embellish stories - fact.

It doesn't matter if they are national tabloids or local papers - they're all journalists, they probably all took the same courses, they learn all the same techniques.

Not taking sides here, but I do truly believe that newpaper stories, especially local newspapers (they are accountable to fewer) are rarely to be taken at face value. This is not a comment on the case in question, just a general newspaper observation