for once a bad pet shop gets prosecuted

[mask-of-sanity]

Originally Posted by cooljules

that isnt necc true..the rspca wanted to do me, cos they said my snakes looked sad, didnt have constant food etc (this was about 4 years ago) and threatend me with court action, i got some well respected herpers i know, 30 years exp some of them, well known people to back me...but the rspca didnt dare take me to court (i begged them too, seriously!)

often i have mega sick stuff get dumped on us, so come on a certain day and you can see really skinny stuff, and often i have no idea or where they like that brought it etc. no idea...just look at the cali king we had dumped, that died 20 min after getting here with that huge tumur...

I have some tattly old vivs, hand made etc as im crap at viv making, and some tanks that arnt the best looking (esp on fotos etc) but fine for the animals and yeah i wished a lot of the BD vivs were bigger, but they get let out...

turn up on certain days, esp the day all the snakes crap etc and piles of poo...sods law when people come but hey ho...

would love to see more details about this, thinking about it, its not clear cut...

i have a inckling...its more rspca fed stuff to the judge etc.(who would know naff all, and like most people, belive and respect them and not know the full feeling of them and reps)

if people here say they know them, and they DO know its not black and white, im more likley to belive it....

i understand what you are saying, but friends will stick up fo each other no matter what ......do you have dead animals about.....i doubt it

[cooljules]

Originally Posted by sarasin

The council said some were too hot, too cold etc but no temps were taken so how did they know, they took a dislike to them when the council were told (in the shop) they were idiots who didn't know their arse from there elbow. And from then on they were never off their backs.
And have you never heard of people being found guilty, only for it to emerge much later that they were innocent.

actually i can belive that..

i have seen spotless shops with things wrong...and seen 'normal' shops with good set ups, that to say joe blogs might not look spotless.

unless piles of poo were left in for long time, really bad water etc. not just say untidy vivs its one persons view aganst another..

[mask-of-sanity]

Originally Posted by sarasin

The council said some were too hot, too cold etc but no temps were taken so how did they know, they took a dislike to them when the council were told (in the shop) they were idiots who didn't know their arse from there elbow. And from then on they were never off their backs.
And have you never heard of people being found guilty, only for it to emerge much later that they were innocent.

how do they account for the dead animals found ? prosacution have to provide pictures of the shop and animals.....so where they perfect then ?

[sarasin]

Originally Posted by boromale2008

i bought as a beginner from there and even went to your house to pick the crested up, i was impressed with the set ups in your house because compared to the shop it was alot cleaner.
i did contact you about buying not so long ago until i realised who it was, obviously there cant be no smoke without fire.

You are obviously one of the people who believe everything you see in the papers, and as for getting another from us, we put you off because we didn't want you getting rid of another like you did with the first one.

[wacky69]

I think before presumptions are made everyone shud get the facts correct and realise yeah they had an underweight leo as previously stated dumped on them by a customer, yeah the house was a mess, this in no way reflects on the way the reps are kept.

The RSPCA will always regardless try drag the rep keeping business down as if it was upto them then no1 would be able to keep reps!

As stated the rep vet defending them is the best rep vet in the north east and she is the most passionate person I have ever met when it comes to reptiles and if she in any way thought any of the animals were in a bad way or at risk she would never be representing them!

She normally is on the prosecution side, I have never personally been to the shop but have bought reps off these people as have many people on this forum and anyone who has bought has never had a bad word to say about them!

[mask-of-sanity]

Originally Posted by cooljules

actually i can belive that..

i have seen spotless shops with things wrong...and seen 'normal' shops with good set ups, that to say joe blogs might not look spotless.

unless piles of poo were left in for long time, really bad water etc. not just say untidy vivs its one persons view aganst another..

i have nothing against messy vivs ect ect.......but there needs to be some sort of standard of care in place

[boromale2008]

Originally Posted by sarasin

You are obviously one of the people who believe everything you see in the papers, and as for getting another from us, we put you off because we didn't want you getting rid of another like you did with the first one.

i told you why i got rid of that one which was i got a new job and was working ridiculous hours and didnt feel i was giving the crested my full attention, or would you have rather me kept it in bad conditions and mistreated it???

[cooljules]

Originally Posted by mask-of-sanity

i understand what you are saying, but friends will stick up fo each other no matter what ......do you have dead animals about.....i doubt it

had many animals come in, suddenly dumped, dying etc. so yes...of course not left in vivs etc, but you could turn up when say we have 5 bad ones in, being treated yet could drop dead the minute before you turn up, or the same day...

yes that looks bad, but really would love to find out more from those in the know...and no im not dending them yet, as i want nothing more than BAD shops to be shut, hell enough of them around...but if a judge is told lots of stuff, found NOT guilty on 13 reptile related things, and as said temps not taken, somehting isnt right

[cooljules]

Originally Posted by boromale2008

i told you why i got rid of that one which was i got a new job and was working ridiculous hours and didnt feel i was giving the crested my full attention, or would you have rather me kept it in bad conditions and mistreated it???

working long hours affects a crestie? no it doesnt...i dont have any spare time to give hands on, close care to any of our animals, but all are well looked after etc what they need. you dont have to be there 24/7 playing with the animal

[mask-of-sanity]

Originally Posted by cooljules

had many animals come in, suddenly dumped, dying etc. so yes...of course not left in vivs etc, but you could turn up when say we have 5 bad ones in, being treated yet could drop dead the minute before you turn up, or the same day...

yes that looks bad, but really would love to find out more from those in the know...and no im not dending them yet, as i want nothing more than BAD shops to be shut, hell enough of them around...but if a judge is told lots of stuff, found NOT guilty on 13 reptile related things, and as said temps not taken, somehting isnt right

but this is a council prosecution not an rspca one....... the saying is theres no smoke with out fire.............and yes we should hear the other side to the story i agree