New shop in Cardiff

[Athravan]

Originally Posted by silversurfer

If anyone knows of any other reptile shops in the south wales area, please do let me know because I live in the south wales area myself and only know of 1 and the new Cardiff Reptile Centre. The small shop called reptile Cymru started off anti Wild Caught and cursing every one who touches wild caught reptiles, but I see she is selling wild caught reps her self now!!

I don't see any problem in buying, selling, importing, breeding, or keeping any wild caught reptiles. I personaly would rather start with wild caught to start a breeding group as you know that you will be starting with new fresh blood lines. So com'on you anti wild caught people leave the importers alone and lets get some new species in for us to breed! And if you won't change your mind about wild caught then stick to your morals and stay away completly from wild caught if they are no good to import, keep, or breed then why sell them in your shops!

The New Cardiff Reptile Centre is at 173, Cowbridge Road West, Ely on the main A48 road into cardiff from the west.

I don't know who you are or why you feel the need to badmouth me but please feel free to actually come in and have a chat about the WC debate in person I was once very against WC in a naive way as many people are although I never "cussed" anyone, but have always had strong opinions... I think it is through the extensive debate and discussion on here, and talking and visiting all the shops in South Wales you don't seem to know about... that I realised the realities... but it's an interesting debate, that is on several other threads that you should join, or please, come and speak to me in person.

Anyway, you are obviously not getting out much

There are 5 shops in Newport (use yell.com or the yellow pages) the biggest one is Wildside which is a VERY nice shop.. There is Krazy Kritters in Barry, there is a nice shop in Porthcawl. There is Dragon in Pencoed. There are 2 shops in Caerphilly, and World of Aquatics in Swansea. If you can also spare the 45 minute journey, I'd recommend Reptile Zone in Bristol also... oh, that's also Talbot Pets just outside of Cardiff. I can look up the websites and addresses if you

[sahunk]

Yep world of aquatics is a very good shop my local 1....
i think ive bin 2 your shop before Athravan but if i havent i might pop down next week

[silversurfer]

Yep, you were against wild caught reps anthravan but now you have a shop all your morals have gone out of the window! It's funny how people change there thoughts on wild caught when they get a shop and money comes into it. I have been in your shop and all the others shops but all seem to have the boaring same old stuff, apart from Dragon Reptiles in Pencoed they have a very large selection of reptiles and have reps that you don't see on a regular basis. Lets hope that the new Reptile Centre can do better.

[Athravan]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion and I hope you find what you are looking for in this new shop and I wish them luck with their venture.. hopefully with lots of new hobbyists and pet keepers, more and more reptile shops will open, and there will be enough selection for everyone.

[sami]

Originally Posted by silversurfer

Yep, you were against wild caught reps anthravan but now you have a shop all your morals have gone out of the window! It's funny how people change there thoughts on wild caught when they get a shop and money comes into it. I have been in your shop and all the others shops but all seem to have the boaring same old stuff, apart from Dragon Reptiles in Pencoed they have a very large selection of reptiles and have reps that you don't see on a regular basis. Lets hope that the new Reptile Centre can do better.

I'm sure athravan doesn't want to go into the financial side of running a shop but the reality is this:

If you stock only CB then you limit your customers. you loose the "but they are X quid cheaper in X shop" crowd, some might say thats not a bad thing *but* the reality of it is that is a high enough proportion of customers (sadly) for it to matter.

Truth be told if shops like athravans (sorry i'm generalising, I realise I havn't visited your shop) stocked (for example) CB anoles at £25 each they'd be sat there for a very long time because they can go to any other shop and get WC for pence. All CB stock is a nice thought but it rarely happens.

Rather a shop that stocks both (avoiding WC when its needless) and is honest about it than the alarming number of shops that blatently lie and mislead. We have test questions we ask certain shops (ie ones we don't visit very often, if we're buying then we want to get an idea of their honesty, because at the end of the day if they are not honest about the quality of their products we don't want to buy from them.

I've lost count of the number of rep shops that have told us all about the CB tokays, bosc monitors (etc etc) We've had a shop keeper offer us a pastel sibling as a "het pastel".


I digress, while it would be awesome to stock CB only you can only do so if you can afford business to be slow.

Shops are not run (and therefore mortgages and bills paid) by selling those one off expensive CB animals, the profit on them isn't that huge. It's made in dry goods and plenty of bread and butter sales.

Mason

[rach]

Originally Posted by silversurfer

Yep, you were against wild caught reps anthravan but now you have a shop all your morals have gone out of the window! It's funny how people change there thoughts on wild caught when they get a shop and money comes into it. I have been in your shop and all the others shops but all seem to have the boaring same old stuff, apart from Dragon Reptiles in Pencoed they have a very large selection of reptiles and have reps that you don't see on a regular basis. Lets hope that the new Reptile Centre can do better.

you like to bad mouth athravan who has a great selection of WELL CARED FOR reptiles, yet you seem to have no problem with the shop in pencoed. I personally havent been in dragon reps but the boyfriend has and he wasnt exactly over the moon at what he saw.
You seem to like plugging for those who will be of benefit to you yet you bad mouth a great shop. I have no respect for people like you who try and lower the reputation of decent hard working people.
Idiot.

[silversurfer]

rach why comment on a shop you have never seen or been in! I haven't bad mouthed any one, all I have said was that athravan use to curse all the shops and was 100% anti wild caught saying they should be left alone in the wild and that they bring in parasites with them and infest other cb reps. Now that she got a shop her self it's all fine and OK to sell wild caught reps. a bit two faced for me.

so next time find out the facts before you jump to the conclosion! retard

[sami]

Originally Posted by silversurfer

rach why comment on a shop you have never seen or been in! I haven't bad mouthed any one, all I have said was that athravan use to curse all the shops and was 100% anti wild caught saying they should be left alone in the wild and that they bring in parasites with them and infest other cb reps. Now that she got a shop her self it's all fine and OK to sell wild caught reps. a bit two faced for me.

so next time find out the facts before you jump to the conclosion! retard

did you read my post?

Having to sell WC is a financial necessity that most rep shop keepers start out not wanting to do, when it comes to the reality though or making a shop pay wages, bills, rent, mortgage, car loan (etc) then the slightly higher profit margins and cheaper price of CB animals is needed.

As I said in my first post (which you seem to have ignored) *any* shop in *any* trade has to play against the "but XXXX are cheaper in XXX" game.

Yes there are customers out there like us who will prefer CB and be willing to pay for it, unfortunately there are not enough of these customers for 99% of rep shops to survive on them alone especially when competition exsists like in most areas.


The truth of it is this:

Animals like water dragons and otgher commonly stocked asnd available animals are rarely even offered on the trade lists as CB (when compared to the amount of times CF and WC are offered.


I am sat here now looking at the lists of four suppliers (commonly used thorughout the trade) and not one of them offers CB water dragons, they can be found but it's pointless for most shops to find them.

the truth is that most waterdragons sold are sold to people who neither know (nor care) about the differences between CB and WC (even if the shopkeeper tried to explain it wouldn't matter. To these customers the only thing that matters is the big yellow star on the viv with ***£24.99*** written on it, the shop selling CB animals for £34.99 won't stand a chance.


A lot of reptile shop owners start of wanting to be the mecca of reptile keeping, selling royal morphs every week and only stocking CB animals. The kind of shop that internet hobbyists like us are crying out for, they see the noise and try to *be* that shop.

The reality of the economics of running such a shop soon catches up.

One of the only ways to remain in business is to do what the best reptile shops do well. Offer a mixture of CB, CF and WC reptiles, avoiding WC where CB alternatives are available competitively. As long as they are honest about them and explain to people who WANT to listen then they are fine. Without these "bread and butter" sales the shop is shut.

I much prefer this to the type of rep shop thast lies about it's products.

Having just begun to work in this industry ourselves I even ave some sympathy for some shopkeepers who are not honest about their animals, some know nothing about reps (ie the ones who have bolted on a rep bit to another business) and can only work on what they are told by suppliers and some of them are less than 100% honest about everything.

I personally would not call athravan two faced, I would actually refer to it as coming to understand the reality of the situation through actully running a reptile shop as apposed to what she had before which was the conviction and desire of someone who was about to run a reptile shop.

In reality the two don't often mesh, unless athravan could simply afford not to get paid on a regular basis then 100% CB stock would be great, not many people cvan offord to operate a business at anyhting other than a profit though.



All that being said you're probably only out to troll anyway so i'm probably wasting my time.

Never mind, at least my effort may stop someone' random reader of this thread listening to your nonsense and judging athravan, let her spoil her own reputation, thats everyone's right. Until she does so she's fine with me.



Mason

[charliet]

Well said Mason

[Athravan]

Originally Posted by silversurfer

rach why comment on a shop you have never seen or been in! I haven't bad mouthed any one, all I have said was that athravan use to curse all the shops and was 100% anti wild caught saying they should be left alone in the wild and that they bring in parasites with them and infest other cb reps. Now that she got a shop her self it's all fine and OK to sell wild caught reps. a bit two faced for me.

so next time find out the facts before you jump to the conclosion! retard

So if you say something about me, when you don't even know me in person... you're right... but if someone like Rach gives her opinion, she's a retard?

You also completely ignored my polite PM in which I outlined all of my concerns about WC, ie lying about origin, not treating for mites, parasites, using WC when CB is available, overcharging for profit making etc... and anyone who knows me here has probably seem my comments on the WC threads, and knows about the sheer amount of animals that I captive breed every year.

WC reps DO bring in parasites. They DO bring in mites. I explained in my PM yesterday which you have ignored that I treated everything both externally and internally when it arrives. Please feel free to come to my shop and see my parasite treatment, my vets bills, and my mite treatment, and our quarantine policy. Unfortunately you don't seem interested in any facts which makes this discussion pointless.

The fact that you resort to name calling on anyone who defends me is simply demonstrating to others how unreliable a source of information you are.

If you continue to cast aspersions, insult members... I will report this to a moderator and ask for the thread to be removed.. there is no need to be childish and rude.