Should naming and shaming be allowed?

[Plutino]

I'd hope that before name/shaming, one would try to contact the party involved and tell them of their problem. Often misunderstandings get blown out of proportion when people fail to communicate. If after this, the party still has a blatant disregard for whatever the problem, then yes, I'd say with proof, name and shame. More than half of the naming and shaming I've seen on here has resulted from miscommunication though.

[ninjaboy6r]

yes i think so if the animals are mistreated and kept in poor conditions.

[Andy]

Its not libel/slander whichever its is if your telling the truth. But if someone comes on and posts something that a shop doesn't like and they decide to take legal action it would be against Tbo not the poster. Whether its correct or not Tbo would still have a legal battle to contend with and I dont think he wants or has time for that. So, while we agree that they should be named and shamed Tbo doesn't want to have to go to court about it! But there is nothing stopping people PMing the poster and asking which shop they mean etc etc

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by Amber

There should be a list like I know they have in america, where there are threads for breeders/ shops, and people comment with negative or positive experiences.

There's an "International" board of inquiry on that site, too.

I know there's a couple of posts by UK users.

As long as people add the site to their bookmarks.... there's no reason we can't start using the space that Rich Zuchowski has provided.

[sami]

I think as long as proof is there then there is no come back on the forums. the only problems will arise when it is abused to satisfy personal vendettas, kind of like what happened in the US with the "shhh don't tell anyone but [rival breeder]has ibd in his collection" internet whispers game.

Proof or the thread goes i'd say.

Mason

[FreddiesMum]

Yes if proof can be provided

[Athravan]

I have come into contact with numerous occasions when people will "name and shame" for their own benefit, because they don't like the people involved, have a personal vendetta, or even worse.. because they are affiliated with a rival business and want to improve their business by downing others (unfortunately, this happens a lot)

Because opinion is subjective, negative reviews are often misperceived, misunderstood.. or things that could be cleared up quite easily..

So i didn't vote, because I couldn't really make my mind up. Yes, you should be able to provide evidence of negligence, especially if you have photos, but perhaps, this should be sent to the council, not on a public forum. If there is actual evidence of cruelty or law breaking, then the shop will eventually get shut down.

I don't know.. we review everything else, you review restaurants, hotels.. there are whole websites reviewing holiday providers, resorts, shops.. services... why reptiles are different, I really don't know.

[cornmorphs]

Originally Posted by Plutino

I'd hope that before name/shaming, one would try to contact the party involved and tell them of their problem. Often misunderstandings get blown out of proportion when people fail to communicate. If after this, the party still has a blatant disregard for whatever the problem, then yes, I'd say with proof, name and shame. More than half of the naming and shaming I've seen on here has resulted from miscommunication though.

in all honesty the people know what they are doing wrong.. seriously, they do.

[Nerys]

its not always cut and dried tho is it.

for instance. a picture was posted on this forum recently, buy someone, which showed alleged (by the poster) mis-handling of a large snake.

the owner of the premises, and the snake in question, was alerted to the post, and it turns out the incident was not quite how reported by the poster on here.

the post was taken down, and last i heard, he was going to sue the poster, i mean properly sue them, and not just be all mouth and no trousers about it.. and in fact i don't think i have seen them, the poster, on here since.

much though i like the idea of name and shame, i would also vote no.

N

[C_Strike]

As far as im concerned, if someone messes the hobby around in anyway, and dealings with the person could be very bad for any one else in the hobby. Then they should be named and shamed!
If you got conned by someone, and then you found out that people that know you havent said a thing (just let you get stitched up with your dosh) THAT would annoy me more than the guy stitching me up!
Its the fact it could have been avoided.
Hw about we have a Review forum... Where we can jsut note down perosnal experiences, good and bad in a single thread related to a single person...like this
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Its called seller/trader reviews