Boa Genetics and 'Outcomes' - Albino, Anery & Hypo - Hets, Visuals and Supers

[TheMonk]

Originally Posted by paulh

Pastel is a special case. It results from selective breeding and not from a single mutant gene. So the rules of Mendelian genetics do not apply to it.

hypo (AKA salmon) x pastel -->
1/2 hypo (with some pastel influence)
1/2 normal (with some pastel influence)

The fractions are probability per baby, not per litter. And the hypo is assumed to have a salmon mutant gene paired with a normal gene rather than two salmon genes.

By the way, Pritzel's Genetics for Herpers is a fairly good starter booklet.

Genetics For Herpers

Ah right , ill get there eventually Thanks for everyone's help & the link to that book. Muchly aprecitated.

Jenny.

[Jake89]

Originally Posted by TheMonk

Ah right , ill get there eventually Thanks for everyone's help & the link to that book. Muchly aprecitated.

Jenny.

Or you can go on our site, we understand not every one grasps genetics so we have tried too break it down into understandable sections for people, Here is the simple genetics page if you would like a read:

JnB Boas - Simple Genetics

[TheMonk]

Originally Posted by Jake89

Or you can go on our site, we understand not every one grasps genetics so we have tried too break it down into understandable sections for people, Here is the simple genetics page if you would like a read:

JnB Boas - Simple Genetics

Will have a read, thanks very much. Im sort of gettin to understand a bit more now, just need to kno all the morphs that are ressecive , co-dom and dom and then i think ill be able to grasp it prop

[TheMonk]

Originally Posted by Jake89

Or you can go on our site, we understand not every one grasps genetics so we have tried too break it down into understandable sections for people, Here is the simple genetics page if you would like a read:

JnB Boas - Simple Genetics

Just had a read & i get the albino side of things its the same in royals but as earlyer stated on this thread about the pastel just being selectivly bred & what morphs are co-dom , dom & ressecive thats what i need to kno then i think ill be well on my way

[bothrops]

Originally Posted by TheMonk

Just had a read & i get the albino side of things its the same in royals but as earlyer stated on this thread about the pastel just being selectivly bred & what morphs are co-dom , dom & ressecive thats what i need to kno then i think ill be well on my way

JnB Boas - Morph List

[Jake89]

Originally Posted by bothrops

JnB Boas - Morph List

Thanks bud for putting that up

[hellocharlieboy]

So,
if I have

a) Salmon/hypo (poss. super) low expression jungle 66% het Kahl
b)Visual Kahl

potential outcomes could be:

1-if there are no normals (hypos/sunglows/albinos + some jungle markings)
*reasonably confirmed super salmon jungle
*confirmed 66% het is in fact 100% het for kahl
*confirmed jungle (some of which could be high expression)


so snake (a) would be redefined as a super salmon jungle 100% het kahl?


2-If there are no albinos/sunglows- 66% kahl has not proven out and the outcome would be

all hypo's/50% hypo's dependant on super proving/not proving out + some jungle markings all will be 100% het kahl?

3-if 50% hypo 50% 50% normal no jungle markings, snake (a) would be classified as hypo/poss jungle/kah or just salmon/hypo? or just a hypo?

is it also possible that with such a pairing year 2 may result in albino/jungles if year 1 didnt?

FINALLY!!!!!!
IF SNAKE WAS SUPER SALMON/JUNGLE 100% KAHL WHAT WOULD THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES BE % ?

KAHLALBINO
KAHL ALBINO JUNGLE
KAHL ALBINO/HYPO (SUNGLOW)
KAHL ALBINO/HYPO/JUNGLE
SUPER SALMON/HET KAHL
SUPER SALMON JUNGLE
SALMON HET KAHL
SALMON JUNGLE HET KAHL
NORMAL HET KAHL
NORMAL JUNGLE

hope someone can answer this bad boy for me

:notwo rthy:

[paulh]

Originally Posted by hellocharlieboy

So,
if I have

a) Salmon/hypo (poss. super) low expression jungle 66% het Kahl
b)Visual Kahl

potential outcomes could be:

1-if there are no normals (hypos/sunglows/albinos + some jungle markings)
*reasonably confirmed super salmon jungle
*confirmed 66% het is in fact 100% het for kahl
*confirmed jungle (some of which could be high expression)


so snake (a) would be redefined as a super salmon jungle 100% het kahl?


2-If there are no albinos/sunglows- 66% kahl has not proven out and the outcome would be

all hypo's/50% hypo's dependant on super proving/not proving out + some jungle markings all will be 100% het kahl?

3-if 50% hypo 50% 50% normal no jungle markings, snake (a) would be classified as hypo/poss jungle/kah or just salmon/hypo? or just a hypo?

is it also possible that with such a pairing year 2 may result in albino/jungles if year 1 didnt?

FINALLY!!!!!!
IF SNAKE WAS SUPER SALMON/JUNGLE 100% KAHL WHAT WOULD THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES BE % ?

KAHLALBINO
KAHL ALBINO JUNGLE
KAHL ALBINO/HYPO (SUNGLOW)
KAHL ALBINO/HYPO/JUNGLE
SUPER SALMON/HET KAHL
SUPER SALMON JUNGLE
SALMON HET KAHL
SALMON JUNGLE HET KAHL
NORMAL HET KAHL
NORMAL JUNGLE

hope someone can answer this bad boy for me

:notwo rthy:

1. Yes, but "hypos/sunglows/albinos + some jungle markings" must be changed to "hypos/sunglows + some jungle markings". If the parent is supersalmon, all the babies must be salmon (AKA hypo) or salmon combined with something else (as in sunglow). And you have to have at least 7 babies to get a 99% probability for that conclusion.

2. Yes. Again, you must have at least 7 babies to get a 99% probability for that conclusion.

3. Depending on who you talked to, it might be classed as a salmon or hypo or salmon hypo. Again, at least 7 babies in the litter.

Yes. If there were less than 7 babies in the litter, I'd definitely try a second year. Even if there were more than seven babies in the litter, a second year might get lucky. That is the difference between 99% probability and 100% certainty.

Finally,

super salmon jungle het kahl albino x Kahl albino -->
1/4 (25%) salmon Kahl albino (sunglow)
1/4 (25%) salmon het Kahl albino
1/4 (25%) salmon jungle Kahl albino
1/4 (25%) salmon jungle het Kahl albino

Fractions are odds per baby, not per litter.

[gnostics]

nice only 2 things what would out come be super ghost male x super salmon female ,
and when u breed 2 hets 2gather all hets produced would be 66% possiable hets

[bothrops]

Originally Posted by gnostics

nice only 2 things what would out come be super ghost male x super salmon female ,
and when u breed 2 hets 2gather all hets produced would be 66% possiable hets

super ghost x super salmon

both parents are homozygous salmon (only have salmon/hypo to give) so all offspring would be super salmon.

male is homozygous anery, mother is homozygous 'not-anery' at that locus

so all offsrping would be 100% het anery

so offsrping from this pairing

100% super salmon 100% het anery (AKA het ghost)


2- Yes, you are correct, het to het makes all non-visual offspring 66% het when talking recessive mutations. The odds are the same with co-dom traits, except you will be able to see wether the animal is het or not so there is no need for the probablity to enter the equation!