SS Tremper Albino Eye Colour...

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by SleepyD

breaking strain of a wet paper bag

[SleepyD]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I've been a married woman for well over half my life ........... sad puppydog eyes and tears don't work anymore I'm afraid ....



well not unless they're accompanied by high pitched screams



*MrsMike remember where to grab him at the right time*

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by SleepyD

*MrsMike remember where to grab him at the right time*

Shhhh! She nearly forgot about that!

[gazz]

Originally Posted by MrMike

All 3 forms of albinism in Leopard geckos stops the production of melanin, so how can the black pigment be there?
This all confuses me really, doesn't seem right.

All three stains of leo are T+ albinos this type of albino only reduces not really stops melanin.

T + (Tyrosinase Positive) Albinos appear to exhibit an inability to complete the synthesis of melanin.Colors with reduced/absence of black pigment, replaced with shades of brown.but can produce other melanin related pigments such as various shades of brown grey & red.

Ralbino super snow eye.Look at the picture at a distence it looks black.
However look really close you'll see that the back tone of the eye is more mahogany than black that fits in with a T+ albino.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by gazz

All three stains of leo are T+ albinos this type of albino only reduces not really stops melanin.

T + (Tyrosinase Positive) Albinos appear to exhibit an inability to complete the synthesis of melanin.Colors with reduced/absence of black pigment, replaced with shades of brown.but can produce other melanin related pigments such as various shades of brown grey & red.

Ralbino super snow eye.Look at the picture at a distence it looks black.
However look really close you'll see that the back tone of the eye is more mahogany than black that fits in with a T+ albino.

Aha, thanks Gazz. I always wondered this T+, T- malarky seen in corns (or royals, can't remember)

[funky1]

Originally Posted by forgottenEntity

With RAPTOR eyes, you can get very bright red, all the way down to quite deep ruby. I assume this is down to how much the albino trait is stopping eye pigment production. The theory falls apart when you look at snake-eyes though. Surely the same should be happening with the solid part of the snake-eye, given it's the same genetic mutation that causes a full solid eye in a RAPTOR... but then, it most certainly is a red colour. Something else is happening with snake eyes to prevent the red happening.

Could it be that (and this is in layman`s terms), if the full Eclipse needs for example 100 parts in the sequence to make the full red eclipse in the Raptor, and if anything below and upto 100 classes/makes a Snake Eye, then it`s the 100th bit of the sequence that blocks the eye pigment? (barring the obvious rare exceptions such as J.S`s `freaky eyed Raptor`).
Like I said, Layman`s terms, and there`s no doubt not 100 parts in the full Eclipse code/sequence, but you get my drift!!!

[Sarah-Jayne]

My super snow bell definately has red eyes





I might have missed something but I am pretty sure albino leos can't have black eyes?

[forgottenEntity]

Originally Posted by funky1

Could it be that (and this is in layman`s terms), if the full Eclipse needs for example 100 parts in the sequence to make the full red eclipse in the Raptor, and if anything below and upto 100 classes/makes a Snake Eye, then it`s the 100th bit of the sequence that blocks the eye pigment? (barring the obvious rare exceptions such as J.S`s `freaky eyed Raptor`).
Like I said, Layman`s terms, and there`s no doubt not 100 parts in the full Eclipse code/sequence, but you get my drift!!!

I very much get your drift, yes,

The eclipse trait is most likely a DNA alteration/mutation on a single gene. The way genetic inheritance works, you would get all of that gene's DNA sequence or nothing... it's either 0% or 100%, you can't chop it at 99% as such, for snake eyes, you ideally would be looking for something on a different gene than the eclipse trait gene. And there in lies a rather long and drawn out debate between a lot of people on the forums as to whether you could possibly split out the eclipse trait from the solid eyed eclipse trait. The current accepted thinking is that it's totally random as to whether you get solid eyes or snake eyes.... not an idea I like. Especially when RT has managed to come up with a leo morph now that can exhibit snake eyes WITHOUT carrying the eclipse gene (the Abyssinian morph). I think there's a lot more to the snake eyed trait than we currently know... and I do believe it to be a seperate genetic inheritable trait from solid eclipse eyes. But that's just my view

[forgottenEntity]

Originally Posted by Sarah-Jayne

My super snow bell definately has red eyes



I might have missed something but I am pretty sure albino leos can't have black eyes?

Yup, SS Bells are the red-est eyed of the Supersnow albino strains.

Have you got an over head shot of your Supersnow Bell? I am rather interested in his markings down his back, if you could get one, that would be cool

As for (supersnow) Albino leos not being able to have black eyes... read previous page - 2 pics of 2 of ours, with very black eyes

[Sarah-Jayne]

Nope no shots of her from above at the moment but she is only a baby and just gaining her spots

If there are 'albino' leos with black eyes then surely they are not truely albino?