Learning morphs... example

[classix]

hello guys !

i have been studying up on my morphs and recessive genes etc.

and i have come up with an example that i would like someone to check and basically tell me if i can be right or not.

now i know that there is no definite on what morph you will hatch and i understand there can be a 1 in 4 chance etc.

my example is this

if i was to breed a super mack snow with an engima

could i receive a super snow albino enigma?

[funky1]

In a nutshell - no.

SuperSnow is homozygous (2 copy) Snow so all babies will be 1 copy Snows when paired to a non-Snow (Mack Snow - Macks are Heterozygous: 1 copy Snow, SS = 2 copies, homozygous).
So first off, all babies will be Mack Snows (or 1 copy Snows).
Second, Enigma is dominant - meaning 1 copy and 2 copy Enigmas look the same and there`s no super form when 2 copies are present, so your enigma could be a 1 copy or 2 copy and you wouldn`t know wothout breeding. Anyroad, if the enigma is a 1 copy then 50% of the babies will be Enigma, the rest non enigma. If it`s a 2 copy enigma ALL babies will be Enigma.

So _

SS X Enigma (1 copy) =

50% Mack (1 copy) Snows
50% Mack Snow Enigmas.

SS X Enigma (2 copy) =

100% Mack Snow Enigmas.

Tbh, NO IDEA where you`ve got the albino part from!!!

[classix]

thank you for your quick response.


i used this to help me Super Snow Albino Enigma - Leopard Gecko Wiki


it says
the Super Snow Albino Enigma is a combination morph of 3 different genetic traits, Super Snow (Incomplete Dominate), any of the three albino strands (Recessive), and the Enigma (Dominate).

so i assumed a super snow and an enigma.

how about a super snow tremper / bell + engima?

sorry if i come across as stupid

im still learning

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by classix

thank you for your quick response.


i used this to help me Super Snow Albino Enigma - Leopard Gecko Wiki


it says
the Super Snow Albino Enigma is a combination morph of 3 different genetic traits, Super Snow (Incomplete Dominate), any of the three albino strands (Recessive), and the Enigma (Dominate).

so i assumed a super snow and an enigma.

how about a super snow tremper / bell + engima?

sorry if i come across as stupid

im still learning

Nothing stupid about it, everyone has to learn

Right, I think there is something not clicking here, i'll try and explain.

Genes come in pairs, one from the mother and one from the father. Heterozygous (het) means these genes are different, whether that is a normal and a mutant gene, or 2 different mutant genes. Homozygous means both genes are the same, whether that is 2 normal/wildtype or 2 mutant genes.

The genes in question here are Mack snow, Enigma and Albino.

Mack snow acts in a codominant manner (or incomplete dominant), this means:

No mack snow gene - Not Mack snow
1 Mack snow gene (heterozygous) - Mack snow
2 Mack snow genes (Homozygous) - Supersnow

Enigma acts in a dominant manner, this means:

No enigma gene - Not an Enigma
1 Enigma gene (Heterozygous) - Enigma
2 Enigma genes (Homozygous) - Enigma

Albino (all the strains) act in a recessive manner, this means:

No Albino gene - Not Albino
1 Albino gene (Heterozygous) - Not albino (but does carry the gene)
2 Albino genes (Homozygous) - Albino


In order for an animal to visually be Albino, bOTH parents must pass on a copy of the mutation....

Examples

Albino x Albino will give:
100% Albino

Albino x Normal het Albino will give:
50% Albino
50% Normal het albino

Normal het Albino x Normal het Albino will give:
25% Albino
50% normal het Albino
25% Normal

The above example can be written
25% Albino
75% Normal poss (66%) het Albino
This is because from the het x het pairing any normal looking offspring have a 66% (2/3) chance of carrying the albino gene.

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So.... for a Supersnow Albino Enigma, BOTH parents must pass on a Mack snow gene, BOTH parents must pass on an albino gene and at least one parent must pass on the Enigma gene.

In your example Supersnow Albino x enigma you would get...

(Assuming the Enigma is only heterozygous for enigma)

50% Mack snow enigma het Albino
50% Mack snow het Albino

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Woah.... thats a lot of waffling. Does it make sense? Feel free to say it's crap if you think it is

[classix]

well thank you very much for that, and yes it has cleared up a lot for me


so in order to get the super snow albino enigma, i would need...

bare with me on this....

a Mack Snow Albino x Mack Snow Albino HET enigma? (if they exist lol)

i ran it through the morph calculator and it came out with

Super Snow Enigma Tremper Albino

and im guessing that this isn't the same as the super snow albino enigma

i just need to swap the enigma and the albino around and i will be onto a winner!

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by classix

well thank you very much for that, and yes it has cleared up a lot for me


so in order to get the super snow albino enigma, i would need...

bare with me on this....

a Mack Snow Albino x Mack Snow Albino HET enigma? (if they exist lol)

i ran it through the morph calculator and it came out with

Super Snow Enigma Tremper Albino

and im guessing that this isn't the same as the super snow albino enigma

i just need to swap the enigma and the albino around and i will be onto a winner!

Het Enigmas do exist, they just look like Enigmas. Remember, het does not mean "hidden". Het simply means two different genes.

A supersnow Enigma Tremper albino is a Supersnow albino enigma, you are just specifying what strain of albinism is present. It doesn't matter what order you present the name sof the morphs, for example

Supersnow enigma Patternless Bell albino is the same as Enigma Bell albino Patternless Supersnow.

[classix]

right i see i see

so i was correct with my theory of :

mack snow albino x mack snow albino HET enigma =

offspring:
super snow albino enigma

??


( i know there is no definite off spring and there is a good chance it could be another variation, but as i say this is just an example)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by classix

right i see i see

so i was correct with my theory of :

mack snow albino x mack snow albino HET enigma =

offspring:
super snow albino enigma

??


( i know there is no definite off spring and there is a good chance it could be another variation, but as i say this is just an example)

Mack snow Albino x Mack snow albino enigma (heterozygous for enigma) will give:

12.5% Supersnow Albino enigma
12.5% Supersnow Albino
25% Mack snow albino enigma
25% Mack snow albino
12.5% Albino enigma
12.5% Albino

[classix]

yay !

i finally got it !


thank you very much for your help, you have aided me in my quest to understand genetics

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by classix

yay !

i finally got it !


thank you very much for your help, you have aided me in my quest to understand genetics

No problem, plenty of people frequent this forum who are happy to help