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Old 12-10-2009, 01:22 AM
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OK so I'm not so dumb when it comes to genetics but have a couple of questions... I have a small group of leo's I want to breed next year sometime. I have a Male Giant Mack Snow, a female Mack Snow and a female Tremper Albino het Aptor (am I right in thinking that means she's het Patternless?) So therefore by breeding the Albino to the Giant Mack Snow the offspring should be:

12.5% Mack Snow, het Albino
12.5% Mack Snow, het Albino, het Patternless
12.5% Giant Mack Snow, het Albino
12.5% Giant Mack Snow, het Albino, het Patternless
12.5% Giant Normal, het Albino
12.5% Giant Normal, het Albino, het Patternless
12.5% Normal, het Albino
12.5% Normal, het Albino, het Patternless

phew the Giant Mack to Mack outcome is easier...

12.5% Giant Super Mack Snow
12.5% Super Mack Snow
25% Giant Mack Snow
25% Mack Snow
12.5% Giant Normal
12.5% Normal

These 3 also displaying Jungle pattern where the Jungle pattern continues along the tail... is Jungle s simple reccessive/dominant trait or is it the result of poly genes? Will breeding like to like mean I will get like or will I get normal patterned offspring???
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:49 AM
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OK so I'm not so dumb when it comes to genetics but have a couple of questions... I have a small group of leo's I want to breed next year sometime. I have a Male Giant Mack Snow, a female Mack Snow and a female Tremper Albino het Aptor (am I right in thinking that means she's het Patternless?) So therefore by breeding the Albino to the Giant Mack Snow the offspring should be:

12.5% Mack Snow, het Albino
12.5% Mack Snow, het Albino, het Patternless
12.5% Giant Mack Snow, het Albino
12.5% Giant Mack Snow, het Albino, het Patternless
12.5% Giant Normal, het Albino
12.5% Giant Normal, het Albino, het Patternless
12.5% Normal, het Albino
12.5% Normal, het Albino, het Patternless
Unfortunately, the Patternless expresse din APTOR/RAPTOR is not the simple recessive Murphy Patternless gene. It is a polygenic reduction of the reverse stripe (sometimes called patternless stripe).

However, the above (minus the het patternless outcomes) looks correct. You may see some jungle/stripe/reverse stripe/patternless stripe influence coming through from the het APTOR.

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phew the Giant Mack to Mack outcome is easier...

12.5% Giant Super Mack Snow
12.5% Super Mack Snow
25% Giant Mack Snow
25% Mack Snow
12.5% Giant Normal
12.5% Normal
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These 3 also displaying Jungle pattern where the Jungle pattern continues along the tail... is Jungle s simple reccessive/dominant trait or is it the result of poly genes? Will breeding like to like mean I will get like or will I get normal patterned offspring???
Jungle is polygenic, so cannot be easily predicted. Breeding 2 jungles should result in mostly jungle offspring, but you could get banded offspring.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:42 PM
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Ok thanks for clearing that up.. so the Mack Snow to Albino pairing should produce:

25% Giant Mack Snow het Albino
25% Mack Snow het Albino
25% Giant Normal het Albino
25% Normal het Albino

With some from both pairings hopefully producing some Jungle offspring?!
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Ok thanks for clearing that up.. so the Mack Snow to Albino pairing should produce:

25% Giant Mack Snow het Albino
25% Mack Snow het Albino
25% Giant Normal het Albino
25% Normal het Albino

With some from both pairings hopefully producing some Jungle offspring?!
Giant mack snow x Albino will give the above. If there is APTOR/RAPTOR ancestory then you could get jungle offspring.
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