Genetics questions you were afraid to ask...

[Ssthisto]

In royal pythons, "Clown" is a base trait - it's a recessive gene all to itself.

You can *get* Cinnamon Clowns, but Cinnamon isn't an ingredient of Clown.

[repkid]

Originally Posted by Ssthisto

In royal pythons, "Clown" is a base trait - it's a recessive gene all to itself.

You can *get* Cinnamon Clowns, but Cinnamon isn't an ingredient of Clown.

Oh right thanks.

What combos of cinnamon have already been made?

When was the first cinnamon made?Found?Created?

[randomcookiemonsta]

Originally Posted by Tops

In theory it would be possible. They have done it in labs with rats, pigs and chickens by altering the genetic makeup. Its been done in the UK and china that I know of. Its done through the introduction of a gene from a jellyfish though due to cost issues and practical implications im not sure we will be getting 'glowing' corns any time soon. (apparently its for disease research but i reckon they did it because they thought it would look cool)

i have a new life ambition GLOW IN THE DARK ROYAL MORPHS

[teiryklav]

this seems silly yea but how do you make more morphs?
do you study it or you breed morph to morph and then get new morph and then breed it with another morp etc?

ok like example. how do we make bumblebee bp?

[Ssthisto]

In order to make Bumblebee, you need the two ingredients (Pastel and Spider). These base ingredients cannot be made by combining other morphs.

In order to get the base ingredients... you've got to FIND them. Either you buy the ingredients (if they already exist) OR they crop up in your captive breeding program unexpectedly as the result of a mutation OR you find one that looks odd in the wild.

[teiryklav]

thanks, but wait. if i find something odd from the wild, even it's still normal, won't its offsprings will be normal too? if it's a bp that goes mutate, but it was normal, it's gene still normal right? what's the first known morphs? another question, how do we make pieds? really curious.. thanks

[Ssthisto]

A wild snake that was born as a mutant morph *won't* look normal - and might not have normal offspring, if the mutation is genetic!

As far as I am aware, ALL royal python morphs originated from wild-caught animals that were abberant/mutant in appearance AND genetics.

Pied is another base gene, and without having pied or het pied (even if you don't KNOW it's a het pied until it breeds out) you cannot "make" one.

[teiryklav]

thanks ssthisto. so, someone found a pied? or hatchs a pied out of nowhere?! wow.
btw, is it the same if i breed the males with females with different morph or vice versa?

let's say i'm making bumblebee again. will it be different if i use male spiders to female pastels or female spiders to male pastels??
which is commonly used?

[Ssthisto]

The first pied royal was found in the wild, yes.

Sometimes you see "mutant" animals in the wild; it's just a matter of catching one and breeding it. For example, near us there is a population of "pied" Jackdaws, with white wing feathers and white spotting on the black. I'm sure if you caught a pair and bred them you could get a line of captives that showed the same mutant trait. But unless the trait randomly occurs and someone takes advantage of that, it isn't possible to *make* them occur unless you're doing some pretty tweaky things to unhatched eggs (which might then not be genetic or reproducible - I know that some of the colour mutations in mice are due to radiation or chemical experimentation, but this has not to my knowledge been done with any snakes).

No, it doesn't matter (with codominant morphs) which animal is the male and which is the female - at this point there are no known "sex linked" mutations that can only occur in one sex or the other (like "orange" and "black" in cats - only a female cat can normally display both colours at once and be a Tortoiseshell).

The only practical difference it might make is purchasing a female of the more common morph will often be cheaper than buying one of the more expensive or desireable morph - especially as an adult. For example, an adult female pastel will probably be cheaper than an adult female spider is.

[teiryklav]

see if i buy a female pastel because the female spider is more expensive (of course!) then musn't i buy male spider that is more expensive either than male pastel??