Stop Florida Reptile Ban!

[MJ75]

Originally Posted by Chris Newman

Your point is!

If you can't figure that out all on your own, I very much doubt you'd understand my explanation either.

[Pete Q]

Originally Posted by MJ75

If you can't figure that out all on your own, I very much doubt you'd understand my explanation either.

Thats very dis'respectful, he has done more for this hobby than most of us put together. This is one of the reasons why we are an easy target.

[drpjtaylor]

Originally Posted by Lego

You're a knob!

Well out of order.

[Issa]

Originally Posted by drpjtaylor

Well out of order.

Considering who he is and what he does for the uk reptile movement in general. I totally agree.

[Lego]

Originally Posted by drpjtaylor

Well out of order.

Lol ok maybe a little bit... not the point though really. Whether a member of the public died or a family member - someone still died and I personally found it quite insulting that the death of a child was just brushed off

[Dave-Flames]

Jaren Ashley Hare, 19, and her boyfriend, Charles Jason Darnell, were each charged with manslaughter, third-degree murder and child abuse, said officials from the Sumter County Sheriff's Office.


Due to what they have been charged with shows there was a lot more to it then just the snake though really.

[Chris Newman]

As animal keepers, lovers, we live in very dark and difficult times. The Animal Rights Industry [ARI] is not driven by an agenda of welfare or interest in animals, it is driven by ulterior motivations, commonly financial. What we need, as keepers, is clarity in our arguments. We need to make certain that facts are not clouded with disingenuous interpretations. In this case to the best of my knowledge no member of the general public has been serious injured or killed – that is simply stating a fact, which is extremely powerful. The same argument cannot be made for example for dogs, therefore proportionality come into play. Would it be proportionate to ban pythons and not dogs!

The fact that in this case a child had dies is very sad and tragic, and no one would suggest otherwise. Notwithstanding this in the eyes of the law she was not ‘a member of the general public’ – she was a member of the family. That makes a huge difference.

Ultimately I suspect there is a lot more to the little girls death than is at first apparent. Indeed I am highly circumspect about many of the fatalities attributed to large constrictors in the USA.

[Pete Q]

Originally Posted by Lego

Lol ok maybe a little bit... not the point though really. Whether a member of the public died or a family member - someone still died and I personally found it quite insulting that the death of a child was just brushed off

Still out of order. Trouble with posting on forums is that it's really easy to mis understand someone or what someone has written and just assume someones being a "knob" , it could be said that you also brushed it off with your comment as you didn't say anything about it either in your first post. This seems to be how many falling outs happen here.

[MJ75]

Originally Posted by Pete Q

Still out of order. Trouble with posting on forums is that it's really easy to mis understand someone or what someone has written and just assume someones being a "knob" , it could be said that you also brushed it off with your comment as you didn't say anything about it either in your first post. This seems to be how many falling outs happen here.

True, if all forum members on this thread were having this debate over a pint in a pub then the whole tone would be very different.

[Pete Q]

Originally Posted by Chris Newman

As animal keepers, lovers, we live in very dark and difficult times. The Animal Rights Industry [ARI] is not driven by an agenda of welfare or interest in animals, it is driven by ulterior motivations, commonly financial. What we need, as keepers, is clarity in our arguments. We need to make certain that facts are not clouded with disingenuous interpretations. In this case to the best of my knowledge no member of the general public has been serious injured or killed – that is simply stating a fact, which is extremely powerful. The same argument cannot be made for example for dogs, therefore proportionality come into play. Would it be proportionate to ban pythons and not dogs!

The fact that in this case a child had dies is very sad and tragic, and no one would suggest otherwise. Notwithstanding this in the eyes of the law she was not ‘a member of the general public’ – she was a member of the family. That makes a huge difference.

Ultimately I suspect there is a lot more to the little girls death than is at first apparent. Indeed I am highly circumspect about many of the fatalities attributed to large constrictors in the USA.

It will be interesting to see how the reptile keepers fight this one, weather they all stand up, sit back and see what happens, or just carry on fighting each other. Whatever the view on reptiles being kept as pets in Florida, and I no there are different and some valid ones, it would be bad news if the AR win this one. Any victory for AR over reptile keepers will be used by them for whatever the next attack will be.