Protests against Lush/APA Chameleon Campaign

[Ribbens]

The guy contradicted himself over and over again.. classically he first said 90% of reptiles die in the first year and then said there was a problem that some reptiles lived for 20 years or more as they were so robust ? LOL damned if you do damned if you dont !

[Haggles]

well if toms arguement is "that dosn't add up" and not rebuting any actual issue i think that speaks for itself, he obviously is misinformed and has a terribly old fashioned view on the reptile industry which is now thankfully behind us (im refering to the mass wild capture and shipping of african species of tortoise many years ago)

I've gotta thank you chris for flying the flag for all of us sensible keepers and appluad your use of facts and statistics, in my opinion he was left without a leg to stand on other than saying "its bad stop it" with no evidence or even basic knowledge of the animals he is discussing (thats certainly how he presented his arguement at least).

a job well done

[bothrops]

Just listened to the last few minutes.

Chris - awesome job

Tom - blatently doesn't have anything of substance and his only response to all of Chris's irrefutable, publically avialable, correct statistics was 'it just doesn't add up - this has to stop'....he even tried to use child abuse and car mechanics as analogies! (something about child abuse happens behind closed doors, so implying that reptile keeping does too and when told that there is a plethora of information that exists to inform how to look after these species he said 'yeah, if everyone knew how to fix a car they..pause, erm, pause..they wouldn't break down'.....Im mean really, fi that's the best they can do, I don't think we have much to worry about.

Just waiting the hear the call ins/texts....

[bothrops]

is the guy on at the moment on here? He's pretty good!

[Alfonzo]

Originally Posted by bothrops

is the guy on at the moment on here? He's pretty good!

Ahem...that were me :P

[bothrops]

Originally Posted by Alfonzo

Ahem...that were me :P

Really? Fair play if it was..as pointed out on the other thread, the ONLY thing would have been to make it clear the rodents would be bought frozen...many would assume otherwise..but of course hindsight is a great thing...


all I can say at the moment is there are more people talking about old houses than anti reptiles...lets see if that lasts..

[Alfonzo]

Originally Posted by bothrops

Really? Fair play if it was..as pointed out on the other thread, the ONLY thing would have been to make it clear the rodents would be bought frozen...many would assume otherwise..but of course hindsight is a great thing...


all I can say at the moment is there are more people talking about old houses than anti reptiles...lets see if that lasts..

Sh*t! didn't think about that...was well nervous, not been braodcast on radio before!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Alfonzo

Sh*t! didn't think about that...was well nervous, not been braodcast on radio before!

You did well

(better than my first time on radio!)

[Ribbens]

Well done Alex.. you did a spendid job. Dont worry about the rodent thing, the people who would raise an eyebrow would do so anyway regardless of what you said.

Sadly the antis are blind and wont listen to reason we have seen that time and time again. Our only defense against them , the noisy minority, is just our shear numbers ! but it is really important over the next few years the reptile keeping community stick together and dont become complacent or apathetic.

[Alfonzo]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You did well

(better than my first time on radio!)

Originally Posted by Ribbens

Well done Alex.. you did a spendid job. Dont worry about the rodent thing, the people who would raise an eyebrow would do so anyway regardless of what you said.

Sadly the antis are blind and wont listen to reason we have seen that time and time again. Our only defense against them , the noisy minority, is just our shear numbers ! but it is really important over the next few years the reptile keeping community stick together and dont become complacent or apathetic.

Thanks guys...not gonna listen to it though :P