Protests against Lush/APA Chameleon Campaign

[Zak]

Originally Posted by lil_me

Zak I was just looking through that

According to those records 'Elaine Toland' is just a secretary and the Thomas Greg Martin (likes his full title doesn't he!) is director.....

Can put what they what. From what i gather the website is registered in Mr Martins name and Elaine is the public front irregardless of their titles on the committee. Id love to see a copy of their constitution.

[TheMetaphysicalNinja]

Originally Posted by lil_me

Zak I was just looking through that

According to those records 'Elaine Toland' is just a secretary and the Thomas Greg Martin (likes his full title doesn't he!) is director.....

Yes beardies are a good example, when we got ours Iguanas were fashionable - until they got too big and people started keeping them in a locked room without feeding them! Oh we seen some horror stories but anyway, we paid £150 for our bearded dragon and he's a lovely natural grey colour! No inbreeding and has lived to 11 years old so far. Something does need doing to keep this hobby from becoming a cruelty case, but how to is the other matter. While there is demand there will be people trying to breed them. We don't breed. Don't want to. They are my babies.

I'd be interested to see some of those records...

Yeah, iguana's seem to be one of those few that crop up as anti ammo...
Exactly, it's the how part.
I don't have a problem with responsible breeding of course, but it does seem to get carried away sometimes. I mean, I want to breed my horned lizard, but only because their so uncommon CB and their such nice lizards. And I'm going the whole hog in getting a new set up ready before I try for it. huge, heavily planted fancy viv. I'll probably lose money in the long run, but meh.
I've considered breeding my beardie... but would only offer him a nice girl if she was a very nice morph, a red or something.
I guess my view is simply that people should be more responsible and not be after the money, I only breed anything for the pleasure of breeding.
And of course put the animals welfare first.

[Zak]

Originally Posted by TheMetaphysicalNinja

I'd be interested to see some of those records...

There to purchase, £1 a document if i remember correctly.

[lil_me]

Charity overview

The objectives, trustees, contact details etc are all listed on the charity commission site for the trust. Income is just under £10k, handy

Just been chatting to an educated friend who has links with the green party who suggested 'hippies who can't be bothered to work set up such organisations'

[Peacemaker1987]

Hey, i want to listen to the radio show with the debate, but its not up on iplayer now...anyone know how i can get it?

[Rum_Kitty]

Was someone going to post a response to Lush's Youtube video? If its up does anyone have a link?

[Natrix]

As a lot of you seem to be interested in the APA stuff at the moment I thought I should post up these photo’s again.
Basically last year at the Shenfield show we had four people wondering around asking silly questions (like is that Albino royal wild caught), picking up peoples contact cards and in one case appearing to be trying to film everything that was happening with a hand bag (Honest).
Anyway our 007 agent was better than theirs and got pictures of all the people concerned.
Now what we want to know is can anyone say they know any of these people. Are you the Harold Bishop look a like? Does your mum really look that happy when hanging around a reptile show or did you really think it was sensible to wear a thick jumper on the hottest day of the year while attending a reptile show with your ginger girl friend. (Look at him sweat LOL)
Basically their behaviour suggested they weren’t reptile keepers and Ms Toland told the papers she had four people at the event. Can any of you rule any of these people out or have we actually got pictures of Ms Tolands buddies?

Gordon

[TheMetaphysicalNinja]

1 looks like he's made the camera man... and 2 looks pure evil.

[**starry11**]

that's got to be four of the most miserable looking people Iv'e ever seen, some damn handy spy work going on though.. haha.

[naz_pixie]

right i have a fever nd the ickkky so excuse any crazy rambling..

but what exactly is going on, i think im not quite up todate, last i heard we "won" the fight with lush and they dropped tehre connection with the APA?

but all the links and info and campaign is still on there site in the charities section.
A Far Cry from Nature

APA are still going to be one of lush's long term charities, receaving profits for selected products or events.. and they are still selling there chameleon bath bombs in most stores.. and teh profits are still going to the APA?

so we won what exactly? okay so they eventualy took don some literature? but surely we won nothing unless they remove all info and links and cut all support with the APA and publish an apology for teh lies they were supporting?

again if i got anything wrong, im currently a million degrees qand halucinating slightly lol!

im a bit confused though because they are still supporting the APA, yet we seem to think its over?