RSPCA Rescue Horses

[Nerys]

Originally Posted by stephenie191

I agree with that - but the people who ran this were to blame not the RSPCA as a whole!

the rspca placed the horses there, therefore they have a duty of care to make sure its an acceptable place...

still, it could be worse...i guess those ponies could have been some of the 850,000 animals killed by the rspca in the last 10 years..

oh.. sorry, some of them ARE..

N

[wohic]

my ultimate question is why on earth did it have to get to the state that 30 horse lay dead before someone bothered to report it....or were previous reports ignored (god forbid) either way this is a terrifing story and seems that the people of the uk have got so morally self centered that they wont get involved in anything that wont directly have something in it for them

RSPCA are pants...... agreed, and this will be a great news story to get more money in their coffers, I just hope that the poor animals come out of the other side of this in new caring homes.

[wohic]

the horses that have been rescued are not from an rspca holding area.....they are from a dealers fiel, probably destined for the european meat market.

[stephenie191]

Somtimes - the RSPCA can only do so much.

I've seen a few programs where Laws stop them entering houses/propertys.

I think the way forward for alot of animal welfare chairtys is for the government to impose Better laws.

Somone who starves an animal for instance, they just get a fine half the time

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Nerys

tbh andy, if the rspca was abolished, it would free up over £250 million. that, i think, would be enough to fund something a bit better.. rather than saving up to replace defra.

if the rspca took their hands out of their pockets and spent some of the money given to them by duped members of the public, they might not have had to kill over 850,000 animals in the last 10 years, and maybe their statisitcs for rescue and rehoming, would not show a defecit one year of over 40,000 animals.. with the average rehoming % being less than 50% of what is taken in. (this is taken from figures collated from the rspca's own data btw)N

I know that this isn't really a a discussion about the RSPCA's bank accounts but I know that £250,000,000 would not feed and house 850,000 animals for ten years...Admittedly they could spend that money on something i.e. more rescue centres etc but the fact of the matter is as much as you dont like the RSPCA they do do SOME good so you cannot call for the abolishment of a charity without having something to take its place. I agree with Nerys that rather than get rid of RSPCA make the more accountable for their actions and get them more on the side of the everyday keeper of all animals rather than pandering to the anti's.

[Nerys]

Originally Posted by stephenie191

Somtimes - the RSPCA can only do so much.

I've seen a few programs where Laws stop them entering houses/propertys.

I think the way forward for alot of animal welfare chairtys is for the government to impose Better laws.

Somone who starves an animal for instance, they just get a fine half the time

thats because the rspca have no legal right to enter a persons property, infact, they can be charged with trespass if they do not have a warrent from the police to be on the land.. they are not legal officials, and have no power in the eyes of the law.

Nerys

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Nerys

and andy, the only way i could answer specifics, would be to go there, or see pics from there, otherwise how would i know? and how, for that matter, do you know they are a good place? you don't, any more than i know its a bad one.

I dont know if its good or bad I didnt say either way. I can say I would put money on it being better than being in a packed out barn with loads of other horses and 30 dead horses festering around.

[brittone05]

But would the investments they make in property, Freedom Foods and it's supplier farms and thier high end management team pay for the animals to not be killed?

That £250m is AFTER they have paid out everything and beleive me, I have seen the accounts for 2006, they pay out some ridiculous amounts on nothing more than fancy buildings and crap!

[phil the drill]

although i disagree with the rspca if these animals hadnt been rescued they would have probly died its not the animals fault its the keepers nerys can i ask since your so against the rspca who would have rescued these animals tska and you they did right to step in and at least try and save them

[TSKA Rory Matier]

This is going off topic slightly.

First to address Andy's original sort of question.

Who would/could replace the RSPCA - well at this present time no one,having said this, my argument of late has been this:

We will never beat the RSPCA main banner, l have no problems with the local centres but major grief with the 'management'. They are looking for a new ceo at present and no one wants the job for fear of being type cast as a political puppet for the RSPCA.

Perhaps a strong candidate could take up the position and shake the very foundations of political anti'ism out of the RSPCA or perhaps it will get worse.

Can we work alongside the RSPCA? Locally more than likely yes, nationally no.

So who would replace them if they were not there - if they suddenly disappeared?

I genuinely don't know.

Who would want the job, perhaps a host of smaller organizations working in unison with the local councils, but DEFRA have financial difficulties, so this may not work either.

R