Monitors & Tegu's

[hubert_cumberdale]

Originally Posted by tommyjacobs

nice to see its not just us men who like the larger lizards

the bigger the better lol (scuse the pun, not sposed to be rude) I love big lizards

[Taxemic]

Originally Posted by Ian.g

the only side effects i have seen myself is severe obesity...but that is when they are fed solely rodents and seriously overfed them as well, at the end of the day...IF people remember that they dont NEED 2 mice a day etc, and as we said incorperate other foods into this and watch their intake i cant see a problem personaly...but as you say its down to opinion.

I agree with bothn statements and thin more research should be avaliable on Sav diets and consequences.

[Dextersdad]

Originally Posted by Ian.g

the only side effects i have seen myself is severe obesity...but that is when they are fed solely rodents and seriously overfed them as well, at the end of the day...IF people remember that they dont NEED 2 mice a day etc, and as we said incorperate other foods into this and watch their intake i cant see a problem personaly...but as you say its down to opinion.

I would need to go back to the vet that I had a consultation about it for the details but it's not just the weight, it's bones, skin and eyes that a rodent diet can mess up.

I'm just not willing to play with fire. I'm trying my best to replicate what it would be more likely to eat in the wild. Raw meat being included to. They are scavangers, hunters and opportunists all rolled into one.

[Ian.g]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

I would need to go back to the vet that I had a consultation about it for the details but it's not just the weight, it's bones, skin and eyes that a rodent diet can mess up.

I'm just not willing to play with fire. I'm trying my best to replicate what it would be more likely to eat in the wild. Raw meat being included to. They are scavangers, hunters and opportunists all rolled into one.

have you read the article i linked in prev post? this guy is a very high standing long term monitor specialist...i am sure that if a bosc was severely overweight it could affect the bones due to weight strain etc...but cant see how rodent based diets would affec skin and eyes, would be interested to hear what he said if you get chance to speak to him aain about it i know fatty liver disease is a big problem too but again this is down to being seriously over fed...IMO

[jm-ze-b]

Originally Posted by Taxemic

Post some piccies!

there are some on here heres a link http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/lizar...w-beastyy.html
btw to add to whats there he is very tame now and he has grown a bit aswell, he sits on my shoulders when i get him out and he loves it lol
and i think i am getting the red aswell yay cant wait if i do.

[Dextersdad]

Originally Posted by Ian.g

have you read the article i linked in prev post? this guy is a very high standing long term monitor specialist...i am sure that if a bosc was severely overweight it could affect the bones due to weight strain etc...but cant see how rodent based diets would affec skin and eyes, would be interested to hear what he said if you get chance to speak to him aain about it i know fatty liver disease is a big problem too but again this is down to being seriously over fed...IMO

I've had a look but it's a case of who you speak to and what path you choose to take.

Me I just don't want to take any chances and so I do my best to replicate a relistic diet to give it the best chance.

[Ian.g]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

I've had a look but it's a case of who you speak to and what path you choose to take.

Me I just don't want to take any chances and so I do my best to replicate a relistic diet to give it the best chance.

oh i agree! totally your decision how you choose to feed yours, but personally i will feed mine a rodent based diet as she grows but SENSIBLY so...and will also add plenty of "variety" as best is possible (thank god we kept the GALS )

[Taxemic]

Originally Posted by jm-ze-b

there are some on here heres a link http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/lizar...w-beastyy.html
btw to add to whats there he is very tame now and he has grown a bit aswell, he sits on my shoulders when i get him out and he loves it lol
and i think i am getting the red aswell yay cant wait if i do.

Oh O.K sorry mate.

Are them pics in here too? What about ones of your Bosc?

[jm-ze-b]

Originally Posted by Taxemic

Oh O.K sorry mate.

Are them pics in here too? What about ones of your Bosc?

the only pics i have on here of tegu/monitor are my gold and my old bosc.
i sold my bosc recently to a friend but there are pics on here somewhere

[monitor mad]

Originally Posted by Ian.g

cheers, but i have been reading this article

Michael Balsai on the Savannah Monitor Diet

and speaking to quite a few long term keepers i know of...and it seems that if fed SENSIBLY a rodent based diet is not as bad as people may think, obviously as long as she will keep chasing locusts/crix... etc i will keep giving them for the excersize aspect more than anything, but i do believe that in all honesty...as long as you really watch their intake and weight, and also encourage excersize i.e time out of viv and shallow baths etc..it is not such a bad diet really, as it contains all the goodness and calcium they need, i also fed my last one on lots of other various things like whole eggs (would spend AGES trying to crack them open lol) and snails etc..

Snails are an integral art of a bosc's diet and thats why they have the jaw power for crushing the various moloscs they find in the wild also eaten by whitethroated and blackthroated monitors as well