reccomendations on what substrate to use for a crestie?

[Pendragon]

Care guide

crestie care

Jay

[olivine]

Good grief! Why are people on here so opinionated? It may be 'cheap' and you may not understand the 'mentality' of people who use it, but kitchen towel does nevertheless minimise the risk of impaction and make locating eggs easier. As it serves its function, why object to others using it? At the same time, eco earth is also suitable, particularly for adult cresties. Why on earth can't people accept that others have different preferences without being rude or insulting?

Personally, I really wouldn't use the care guide that was recommended previously; having read through it quickly, it does seem to have more than a few errors and inaccuracies. Much better, in my opinion are the ones on the Treasure Crest and Rhac Shack websites.

[STReptiles]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Please don't. It looks terrible and where in their natural habitat do you see kitchen roll on the ground? The whole point of a vivarium is to mimick the natural surroundings of the creature kept inside, not to throw together some cheapass ugly setup and put a poor crestie inside it

finally some one that agrees on that, i use eco earth with medium orchid bark. looks great and you can spot clean it.

[Pono]

Originally Posted by olivine

Good grief! Why are people on here so opinionated? It may be 'cheap' and you may not understand the 'mentality' of people who use it, but kitchen towel does nevertheless minimise the risk of impaction and make locating eggs easier. As it serves its function, why object to others using it? At the same time, eco earth is also suitable, particularly for adult cresties. Why on earth can't people accept that others have different preferences without being rude or insulting?

Exactly



Basicly you can use eco earth (or similar) or you can use kitchen roll. Both have plus and minus points. Although kitchen roll is less attractive, it can help prevent serious issues like impaction, and you dont have problems with finding eggs. It's up to you what you use.

Ed

[beguana]

Originally Posted by jabba1967

P.S. might see you in Portsmouth, do you now how far from the port the show is?

You have a PM!
hmmm i want to go for a more natural layout personly....

Ill read more up on it, but atleast i know i can use eco earth and orchid bark or kitchen roll,
so i take it you dont reccomend eco eather ect for a hatchling? or sub?

[jamesthornton]

I tried to get the most natural looking viv I could without using real plants and stuff.

For substrate I have cypress mulch. It's from komodo or similar brands, it's sort of like earth and shredded bark and peices of wood. They're all very thin, so nothing chunky he can eat. I also mixed in some leaf litter - sterilised oak leaves.

I've watched him eat every live food i've put in, and only once has he got any substrate. But it was a large enough peice that I could just pull it off him.

[tesse.t]

i use the coco fibre stuff mxed with some wood chips and have a millipede in there too to help keep it clean cause he eats all the cresties poo

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Pono

That imply's my set ups are ugly and suboptimal, and my cresties arn't 'happy' in them. These are things you dont know and you are making alot of assumptions with no evidence to base them on

Ed

P.s Very nice set up jabba . All i'm saying is a set up like that is great for a display, but very awkward for breeding as you would never find the eggs.

I was not aiming anything at you.

I feel sorry for any reptile that is forced to live on newspaper or kitchen towel with a tupperware box for a hide and a water dish that says hamster on the side

[Pendragon]

Originally Posted by olivine

Good grief! Why are people on here so opinionated? It may be 'cheap' and you may not understand the 'mentality' of people who use it, but kitchen towel does nevertheless minimise the risk of impaction and make locating eggs easier. As it serves its function, why object to others using it? At the same time, eco earth is also suitable, particularly for adult cresties. Why on earth can't people accept that others have different preferences without being rude or insulting?

Personally, I really wouldn't use the care guide that was recommended previously; having read through it quickly, it does seem to have more than a few errors and inaccuracies. Much better, in my opinion are the ones on the Treasure Crest and Rhac Shack websites.

Originally Posted by Pono

Exactly



Basicly you can use eco earth (or similar) or you can use kitchen roll. Both have plus and minus points. Although kitchen roll is less attractive, it can help prevent serious issues like impaction, and you dont have problems with finding eggs. It's up to you what you use.

Ed

I didn't recall the O/P asking what was the best substrate to use for a gravid female crestie, I thought she was after an atractive sudstrate for an atractive viv.

While paper may be acceptable for the purpose you two have mentioned, the vast majority of people on this forum who use paper for any lizard/snake/amphib, do so becuase it it "easier" and and takes less "effort" to maintain, in other words they put themselves ahead of their animals. To spell it out, these people are lazy.

There is NO impaction implications with eco earth, sorry to burst your bubble on that one, or is there?

Show me the proof, or stop scare mongering.

In short I do the most for my animals, not the least amount possible, if it's too much trouble looking after your animal, then get rid of it.

If you want to carry on this discution, then P.M. me, so as not to fk up the O/Ps thread.



Jay

P.S. I read through the care guide I sent... looks fine to me, or are you just opinionated

[olivine]

Originally Posted by jabba1967

P.S. I read through the care guide I sent... looks fine to me, or are you just opinionated

Where do you want me to start with the care sheet? That cresties are in fact only semi-arboreal? That it advises the use of pureed apple (too acidic) or banana (inhibits calcium absorption)? Or baby food (completely crap)? Or advising mixing calcium / vitamins with fruit as a staple (check out threads on poorly cresties (often suffering from MBD) that have been posted on here to find out just how difficult it is to get the balance correct)?

Or the recommendation of a viv that's too small for one individual (generally accepted absolute minimum for an adult (18"x18"x18") gives 5832 cubic inches of spaces whereas their recommendation (12"x12"x24") only gives 3455 cubic inches?) Or shall I be really opinionated and say that I wouldn't take advice from anyone who is so clearly unable to use a spell checker?

Though even such a poor care sheet as this one does at least acknowledge that an impaction risk does exist if loose substrates are used. Or are you so opinionated that you pick and choose which bits of advice to follow from your own preferred care sheet