Mixing species -PLEASE READ

[DeanThorpe]

Matt Harris...
Art gecko said she dissproved and asked others ideas on why they might mix in the way described.. that is perfectly fair.

And using tokays to mop up left over roaches is not actually a good reason to do it in regards to the animals safety and well being... more a selfish use of a lizard as a utility.

This is a free forum, this thread in particular, a disscussion on mixing species where views are welcome, if you dont like it...leave.
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[Philcw]

Originally Posted by DeanThorpe

Matt Harris...
Art gecko said she dissproved and asked others ideas on why they might mix in the way described.. that is perfectly fair.

And using tokays to mop up left over roaches is not actually a good reason to do it in regards to the animals safety and well being... more a selfish use of a lizard as a utility.

This is a free forum, this thread in particular, a disscussion on mixing species where views are welcome, if you dont like it...leave.
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Well Said dean



Phil

[Matt Harris]

Originally Posted by DeanThorpe

Matt Harris...
Art gecko said she dissproved and asked others ideas on why they might mix in the way described.. that is perfectly fair.

And using tokays to mop up left over roaches is not actually a good reason to do it in regards to the animals safety and well being... more a selfish use of a lizard as a utility.

This is a free forum, this thread in particular, a disscussion on mixing species where views are welcome, if you dont like it...leave.
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...and my view is that if you haven't got the courage to ask a keeper why he/she's mixing species, then it's just cowardly to moan about it anonymously on an internet forum.

Besides, in what way does the set-up mentioned conflict with animals' safety and wellbeing? There will be virtually no interation between the two.

As you say, this is a free forum, I won't be told to 'drop it' or 'leave'.

[Art_Gecko101]

How can you really believe that having to share a viv with a fully grown anaconda wouldnt be stressful to an animal a fraction of its size and on the prey list! its like housing a mouse with a retic.

[DeanThorpe]

Originally Posted by Matt Harris

...and my view is that if you haven't got the courage to ask a keeper why he/she's mixing species, then it's just cowardly to moan about it anonymously on an internet forum.

Besides, in what way does the set-up mentioned conflict with animals' safety and wellbeing? There will be virtually no interation between the two.

As you say, this is a free forum, I won't be told to 'drop it' or 'leave'.

i didnt mean drop it, i meant accept its ok for art gecko to ask what we think without having asked the ppl at the zoo.

the snake could eat the gecko...so its not in the geckos best interest to be with the snake.. is that not clear?

[Matt Harris]

Originally Posted by DeanThorpe

i didnt mean drop it, i meant accept its ok for art gecko to ask what we think without having asked the ppl at the zoo.

the snake could eat the gecko...so its not in the geckos best interest to be with the snake.. is that not clear?

Anacondas (terrestrial/semi-aquatic) feeding on geckoes (arboreal), that's a new one one me, but you live and learn.

I'll make it easy for you, give Rod Keen / Kate Clegg a ring on 01803 697500 and ask them if they've had any problems with the Tokays in with the Anacondas/retics. While you're at it, ask for their reaction to your comment "just because zoos do it, doesn't make it sensible".

Big tip; if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, or over the 'phone, then you probably shouldn't say it at all.

[Art_Gecko101]

what i meant by that comment specifically Matt is that just because Zoos do it doesnt mean that private keepers should try it. Do you really advocate keeping tokays and condas?
is that a private number or one for the zoo department? Shall i assume that you do have something to do with paignton zoo then and so that is why you seem to have taken such offense at my queries with their setups?

I'm going to leave this now, because i wrote this thread for the point of giving information and i do not want it deteriorating into argument as you seem intent on doing.

[Matt Harris]

Originally Posted by Art_Gecko101

what i meant by that comment specifically Matt is that just because Zoos do it doesnt mean that private keepers should try it. Do you really advocate keeping tokays and condas?
is that a private number or one for the zoo department? Shall i assume that you do have something to do with paignton zoo then and so that is why you seem to have taken such offense at my queries with their setups?

I'm going to leave this now, because i wrote this thread for the point of giving information and i do not want it deteriorating into argument as you seem intent on doing.

It's the number for reception - just ask to speak to one of the reptile keepers.

I have no involvement with Paignton but I have worked in Zoos in the past, and am well used to people who have visited, and then subsequently criticised our husbandry in the media. It is intensely frustrating when such people have criticisms which could so easily have been cleared up with a chat or a 'phone call.

No keeper will pretend to know it all, and all bar perhaps some of the 'old school' will be more than willing to learn something new, but I think you'll find most of them are pretty good at their jobs and will be able to respond to an intelligent query.

I take no offence with your queries, but those queries should have been directed to the keeper(s). There is no excuse not to do so.

If you had made a thread comment along the lines of "I spoke to the head of reptiles at Paignton the other day and asked why he had tokays in with his 'condas and he explained that.....etc", then that would have been an interesting and useful posting.

If you are genuinely concerned about the husbandry of their animals, give the guy a ring and see what he has to say - what have you got to lose?

[Art_Gecko101]

I may well give them a call then i just wanted to check it wasnt a private number as they might find it a little rude me calling them on a private line! I understand what you are saying, but i purposefully didnt start a thread saying something like Paignton is keeping their animals wrong because i know that'd be stupid and pointless. I simply made the original comments on the mix if species i mentioned as i couldnt find a keeper to ask when i was there, and it seemed like a pretty inappropriate mix to me.

[DeanThorpe]

Originally Posted by Matt Harris

Anacondas (terrestrial/semi-aquatic) feeding on geckoes (arboreal), that's a new one one me, but you live and learn.

I'll make it easy for you, give Rod Keen / Kate Clegg a ring on 01803 697500 and ask them if they've had any problems with the Tokays in with the Anacondas/retics. While you're at it, ask for their reaction to your comment "just because zoos do it, doesn't make it sensible".

Big tip; if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, or over the 'phone, then you probably shouldn't say it at all.

it wasnt me that said it dumbo.
in answer to your "Anacondas (terrestrial/semi-aquatic) feeding on geckoes (arboreal)that's a new one one me, but you live and learn."
I dont even need to point out the flaw in your logic do I?
I laugh at you now for you are clearly a fool....how high is the enclosure they are in? high enough for an anaconda and/or rectic to be unable to get the gecko?? dont be daft.


what was the reason for the geckos being in with the snakes again?
i think you said to get the insects...that wouldnt be in a snake enclosure in the first place didnt you?
cos I see you running your mouth...but its just not making any sense...