Random cat chat thread

[Esarosa]

Originally Posted by feorag

What's this all about then? I'm from 'up here' and I want to know!

There was an advert on preloved asking for a stud cat for her 6 month old moggy, Preloved | stud kittn/cat wanted in Middlesbrough, England, UK

i asked if anyone had a paid preloved account to get the details or perhaps contact her for me, just so we could let her know that six months was to young, its an old wives tale that they should be bred before spayed, if she was to be responsible she would need to test, that there were too many cats in rescues etc etc.

Anyways Shell emailed her for me and asked 'What are you looking for'

her reply was

'a bangal boy' (exact spelling and extent of the reply )



With FIP, when it's described as shedding? Is that referring to the wet type or something else? When I was reading about it, it mentioned two types, wet and dry, but I don't remember seeing shedding..Or does that just mean contagious? Really sorry again Shell, how's your daughter taken it and have you contacted the breeder to let her know?

[Miranda]

Originally Posted by Katiexx

There was an advert on preloved asking for a stud cat for her 6 month old moggy, Preloved | stud kittn/cat wanted in Middlesbrough, England, UK

i asked if anyone had a paid preloved account to get the details or perhaps contact her for me, just so we could let her know that six months was to young, its an old wives tale that they should be bred before spayed, if she was to be responsible she would need to test, that there were too many cats in rescues etc etc.

Anyways Shell emailed her for me and asked 'What are you looking for'

her reply was

'a bangal boy' (exact spelling and extent of the reply )



With FIP, when it's described as shedding? Is that referring to the wet type or something else? When I was reading about it, it mentioned two types, wet and dry, but I don't remember seeing shedding..Or does that just mean contagious? Really sorry again Shell, how's your daughter taken it and have you contacted the breeder to let her know?

Lol, i dont know about cats but that is pretty amusing!

[Shell195]

Hilary the vet has been involved in research for FIP and if you look at Dianne Addys website it also confirms that before cats show symptoms they shed the coronavirus, the shedding then stops as they have full blown FIP so by the time I got him he was just starting to show symptoms(he was always quieter than Dennis and a lot smaller) which hopefully made him none infectious. Yes 2 vets have told me this and one is quite knowledgable about Coronavirus and FIP. I have spoken to the breeder about him and she feels dreadful that she has given us such heartache but it could have happened wherever I bought a kitten from unless it was from an Fcov negative household which I wouldnt want. I do agreee that the stress of all his recent activity was probably a big factor in him mutating the virus into FIP
Sophie has taken it quite well, but I think it helped he was actually at the vets but knowing Sophie it will hit her later. Cats shed the Coronavirus at certain times in the infection and yes this was the wet form which is easier to diagnose than the dry form as this can attack any organ in the body so mimics another condition.

[feorag]

Originally Posted by Katiexx

With FIP, when it's described as shedding? Is that referring to the wet type or something else? When I was reading about it, it mentioned two types, wet and dry, but I don't remember seeing shedding..Or does that just mean contagious?

Yes, Katie, shedding is when the virus is active within the cat and so the cat is passing it on to other cats.

There are 2 types of FIP - wet and dry. The wet form is when the body cavity (abdomen) or lungs fill up with fluid, which is what happened to Asbo. This is the easier FIP to identify because there is a clear clinical sign. With dry FIP, there is no fluid, the virus 'attacks' an organ and so the clinical symptoms reflect the symptoms from that organ, if you see what I mean. In other words if the virus attacks the kidneys, then the clinical symptoms would be kidney disease or if it attacked the liver then it would be diagnosed as liver disease. Only a post mortem would confirm whether it was indeed a kidney/liver problem or FIP.

[feorag]

Originally Posted by Shell195

Hilary the vet has been involved in research for FIP and if you look at Dianne Addys website it also confirms that before cats show symptoms they shed the coronavirus, the shedding then stops as they have full blown FIP so by the time I got him he was just starting to show symptoms(he was always quieter than Dennis and a lot smaller) which hopefully made him none infectious. Yes 2 vets have told me this and one is quite knowledgable about Coronavirus and FIP. I have spoken to the breeder about him and she feels dreadful that she has given us such heartache but it could have happened wherever I bought a kitten from unless it was from an Fcov negative household which I wouldnt want. I do agreee that the stress of all his recent activity was probably a big factor in him mutating the virus into FIP
Sophie has taken it quite well, but I think it helped he was actually at the vets but knowing Sophie it will hit her later. Cats shed the Coronavirus at certain times in the infection and yes this was the wet form which is easier to diagnose than the dry form as this can attack any organ in the body so mimics another condition.

Sorry Shell, we cross posted (Again)!!

Ah I see! I just wondered because I always thought that when a virus was active it would be shedding. I haven't read up on FIP for a while, but if that's what they say, then let's hope that it's right!

I absolutely agree that it could have happened wherever you bought a kitten because there are so many coronaviruses and only the one that mutates and breeders can never know for sure if they've got it unless kittens die and again, it would have to be a few kittens to be sure it was a serious problem in the breeder's home!

[Esarosa]

Thanks for the information ladies. Just been looking at Feline Infectious Peritonitis and Coronavirus Web Site site.

It was the shedding part I couldn't grasp, fingers crossed he was past that stage then Shell.

[Shell195]

Coronavirus/FIP is a very confusing disease. When we were Cats Protection(about 4 years ago )we had an outbreak and lost a quite a few kittens out of various litters. We became included in Glasgow Uni research. We tested most cats and found even in litters were some had died littermates had varying titre readings from 0 to thousands and the surviving kittens are still alive today as we stayed in contact with the owners.I think one went on to develop dry FIP and was PTS. We fell out with CP bigtime as they wanted to take the affected kittens and keep them in total isolation from each other after a 200 mile journey for 6 months and do varying tests on them. We said NO as putting them through that stress would have definately tipped them over the edge. We rehomed all remainig kittens to people with no other cats and made sure they were aware of what could happen. That is when we all resigned from CP and made our own Sanctuary. All the kittens with this virus came from a single girl who ran her own rescue who then shouted for help when her 5 litters of kittens she had handreared started to die, she handed over these disgustingly filthy babies plus some other litters and adults that she had crammed in her house. The cats we already had in were never affected by it although we have lost 1/2 in The Sanctuary over the years. I think this is why we have a good understanding of Corona and FIP it was all down to this nightmare and why I stopped fostering. Although my fosters were isolated I didnt want to take any chances with my own cats so it ended there and then. I did hope I would never see FIP again but sadly It has risen its ugly head again

[butterfingersbimbo]

Oh Shell I am so sorry to hear about Asbo, I don't know what to say as nothing will make you feel any better. Big big hug to you and your family hun.

[feorag]

Originally Posted by Shell195

Coronavirus/FIP is a very confusing disease. When we were Cats Protection(about 4 years ago )we had an outbreak and lost a quite a few kittens out of various litters. We became included in Glasgow Uni research. We tested most cats and found even in litters were some had died littermates had varying titre readings from 0 to thousands and the surviving kittens are still alive today as we stayed in contact with the owners.I think one went on to develop dry FIP and was PTS. We fell out with CP bigtime as they wanted to take the affected kittens and keep them in total isolation from each other after a 200 mile journey for 6 months and do varying tests on them. We said NO as putting them through that stress would have definately tipped them over the edge. We rehomed all remainig kittens to people with no other cats and made sure they were aware of what could happen. That is when we all resigned from CP and made our own Sanctuary. All the kittens with this virus came from a single girl who ran her own rescue who then shouted for help when her 5 litters of kittens she had handreared started to die, she handed over these disgustingly filthy babies plus some other litters and adults that she had crammed in her house. The cats we already had in were never affected by it although we have lost 1/2 in The Sanctuary over the years. I think this is why we have a good understanding of Corona and FIP it was all down to this nightmare and why I stopped fostering. Although my fosters were isolated I didnt want to take any chances with my own cats so it ended there and then. I did hope I would never see FIP again but sadly It has risen its ugly head again

And an ugly thing it is too.

I just think the worst thing about FIP is the difficulty in diagnosis and the inconclusiveness of the conclusions - even the experts disagree. I know Diane Addy did loads of research at Glasgow and I too sent blood samples to her to include in her research just before I started breeding, but even she didn't agree with all the American research. It's just a minefield.

But I'm so sorry about Asbo, honestly Shell I can't tell you how upset I was to read your first post about the final result! It fair spoiled my day, I can tell you, so you must be in a much worse state!!

[Shell195]

TBH Eileen Im still in shock I cant believe hes gone. Poor little boy never even had a proper life I only had him a short while when he started to show symptoms. Its not bloody fair but who ever said life was? Crap start to the new year. The car needs a replacement gear box now after having a new ball joint already fitted after failing the MOT on it. I do hope the year gets better it needs to