Roborovski Hamsters + Mice = ??

[Reptilover]

Before you start shouting/cursing/been a complete d***, please make sure you read the whole starter thread. Thankyou

Ok im currently doing some research into the behaviour of roborovski dwarf hamsters and mice socialibility. From the 12th of april 2009 i will be slowly introducing a male roborovski hamster with a female mouse.

These are my initial plans:

• In one realy usefull box for a hour duration keep a male roborovski dwarf hamster (Phodopus roborovskii) and a two female (Mus Musculus) in a 84lt realy usefull box for the duration of 1 hour using a plastic middle to seperate them. This will take place in the morning of 12th april 2009.

• Later on in the day i will remove i will once again place both species into the 84lt realy usefull box and this time not use a plastic barrier. This will be for 5 minutes and will only be interupted if sexual reproduction signs show or threat of injury to any of the animals occur. I will be there watching this closly and jotting down and usefull information.

• If plans show that the two animals successfully lived with each other for 5 minutes then later on during the evening i will keep them together for 30 minutes monitoring there behaviour watching and jotting down any information. Once again this will only be stopped if sexual reproduction takes place or injury to either animal occurs.

From what i conclude from this depends on whether i am going on to the next stages.

PLEASE NOTE I HAVE NO INTENTION EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST OF BREEDING THE TWO SPECIES!! I THINK THIS IS BOTH WRONG AND WOULD CAUSE MAJOR PROBLEMS FOR THE OFFSPRING AS THE BODY FEATURES OF A ROBOROVSKI AND A MOUSE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!

Here are some of the reasons i am going ahead with the plan;

Both species are noc-turnal.
They both have the similer, if not the same diet.
I want to answer a question that has been asked more than once before.
Im a sad individual who wants something to do on pet cleaning day.

I will take pictures and photographic evidence of this to show your my findings. It is not just the case of keeping the two species together.

If these plans all work out i will then be trying with a female roborovski and two female mice for longer durations and i will be monitoring the behaviour the same.


Reptilover, ill keep the thread updated with what i've found out ect. Please post your opinions and express your'e views.

[lizardloverrach]

they could breed in that time together surely. sorry but i think its pointless. what happens if they do breed?

[Reptilover]

Originally Posted by lizardloverrach

they could breed in that time together surely. sorry but i think its pointless. what happens if they do breed?

Hence the reason I will be watching them for the entire time. I will be closly keeping a eye on them with a pen and paper in my hand jotting down the behaviour. The reason im starting with a male first is because i believe if the males and female carnt get along then the females definatly wont.

Thats why i wont breed them, it would cause major disformed problems.. you know the two heads.. 7 legs.. 1 tooth thing.

This is pretty pointless as no one cares or gives the slightest ... but people have asked wether they can be kept together. If they can then great This is what im out to proove.

[lizardloverrach]

Originally Posted by Reptilover

Hence the reason I will be watching them for the entire time. I will be closly keeping a eye on them with a pen and paper in my hand jotting down the behaviour. The reason im starting with a male first is because i believe if the males and female carnt get along then the females definatly wont.

Thats why i wont breed them, it would cause major disformed problems.. you know the two heads.. 7 legs.. 1 tooth thing.

This is pretty pointless as no one cares or gives the slightest ... but people have asked wether they can be kept together. If they can then great This is what im out to proove.

it's not pointless as such, but i would be very worried incase they managed to breed....while your looking at your pen and paper they are pretty fast! and if they can be kept together, some ignorant, irresponsible idiots WILL let them breed

[bpc]

Its science, it isnt pointless at all!!! It is all research, without which we would still be like developed cavemen!!

One thing I would do though is create a hypothesis (theoretical outcome) and then use findings to either prove or disprove!!)

GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN!!

Ben

[Reptilover]

Originally Posted by lizardloverrach

it's not pointless as such, but i would be very worried incase they managed to breed....while your looking at your pen and paper they are pretty fast! and if they can be kept together, some ignorant, irresponsible idiots WILL let them breed

Im sure there not that fast for my eyes

Also if some complete of a person decided they wanted to breed them they would probly end up FAILING anyway as the genetics between the two animal are completely different and the chances of the sperm of a roborovski actually fertilising a mouse is highly unlikely. Either way we have to accept there's heads out there like that...

Thanks for your curiousity.

Originally Posted by bpc

Its science, it isnt pointless at all!!! It is all research, without which we would still be like developed cavemen!!

One thing I would do though is create a hypothesis (theoretical outcome) and then use findings to either prove or disprove!!)

GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN!!

Ben

I agree.. if einstine didn't decide to nearly blow himself up then we wouldn't have half the things we had today... reasearch is essential for the human race to develop. I have a rough estimation on whats going to happen in my head and will type it down soon to share my ideas.

Thanks for your comment

[bpc]

Exactly, the majority of research scientists (myself included) are still met with a large degree of sceptisism (sp???) we have to rise abouve peoples floggings and doubts to push forward research that WE believe is worthwhile, whether for healthcare, money making, or fun, its al the same!!

Look forward to seeing your conclusion!!

Ben

[bosshogg]

I'm sorry but this isn't science they is no scientific purpose if they is whats your scientific hypothesis to what your going to do! mice and hamster's should be kept separate, they need different care, mice are no nocturnal if they are will you tell my 150 odd that they should be asleep

also your mice and hamster may be OK together but every animal is differnt and someone might see thats yours are ok and mix, then one ends up been injured or dead.

[Reptilover]

Substrate Issues:

Only just thought this through, a while back i did a experiment on wether sand or wood shavings were better for roborovski's and my conclusion told me that sand was by far more natural and better for them. So now my roborovski is on sand whilst my mice are on wood shavings.

I know have the problem on decided what substrate to use during the experiment. I know that mice can adapt very quickly to anything but may try to eat the sand which is not all too great. However i know that both species can be kept on wood shavings. So i am going to be using wood shavings for it.

Strengh Issues:

I know for definate that a roborovski is much heavier in comparison to a adult female mouse and therefor can surpress body weight easier. This is the reason i am using two female mice and only one male roborovski to take all the strain from the one famale.

Originally Posted by bosshogg

I'm sorry but this isn't science they is no scientific purpose if they is whats your scientific hypothesis to what your going to do! mice and hamster's should be kept separate, they need different care, mice are no nocturnal if they are will you tell my 150 odd that they should be asleep

also your mice and hamster may be OK together but every animal is differnt and someone might see thats yours are ok and mix, then one ends up been injured or dead.

Your right this is'nt science.. its just a bored person trying to find out wether roborovski dwarf hamsters and mice can live together. If there is any anomous behaviour in them i will note it down and come to sumary at the end and will relate it towards my prediction.

You might say that hamsters CARNT live together with mice.. have you tried it? Have you even done the slightest REAL research on them? I very much doubt it and this is the reason for me doing it then if they dont get along i can say to people than they carnt be put together and i will have proof/fact.

Mice are nocturnal by the way.. and so are roborovski dwarf hamsters.
You say care is not the same.. i find that it is. Both my roborovski's and my mice have the same setup just the mice dont have monkey nuts. (also my roborovksi has sand but they can live on woodshavings just like mice).

I will be doing more research than just this one day, and wont be saying wether someone should keep them together or not untill i have hard factural proof.

Thankyou.. RL.

[miss_rawr]

why not start off with two females to avoid to prgnancy issue?