Tailless rats wanted

[animalstory]

Anyone know when I can get some male tailless rats? I live in north east happy to travel to north and west Yorkshire. Anyone further afield let me know just in case. Also I'm heading to Cornwall first week in august so perhaps pick up then if near the m42, m5. Please help. Thanks

[LisaLQ]

Tailless rats can have lots of health problems, they cant regulate their temperature, they can have pelvic and spinal damage, damage to their bladders and urinary systems etc.

I dont know anyone who breeds for them specifically, and even if they did, I doubt they'd post on the forum about it - as it would show them to be a very irresponsible breeder.

[animalstory]

I had one born in a litter - had never heard of them and though it was just a freak of nature. Wasn't till someone posted some pictures on here of some that I realized others had them. I'm not trying to breed her know there can be problems. She's a dumbo blue perfect health. I doubt anyone breeds them on purpose and will admit it ( just like skinny pigs and guinea pig breeders- they often won't admit having one, due to the problems) however I'm sure some are born from time to time.
I'm only looking for healthy ones that someone has and would like to find a good home for.

[Mrs dirtydozen]

im not an irresponsible breeder n im gona have a go at getting some tailess babies, i read the info u sent me n yer they CAN have health problems but my 2 are totally fine n healthy, the females is of cause sterile tho. in the info it states they breed them sucessfully in america so what is the difference over here??? look at all these health problems with other animals n they still breed them. if my boy didnt act n look very healthy then i wouldnt have a go at doing it

i am wanting 2 do this coz i find it interesting n i told u in a pm lisa that i have taken everythin in2 account n if needed babies would be culled if anything was wrong with them. i have had a couple of litters from my tailess boy all babies are very healthly normal with tails n i have chosen a few females 2 put back 2 him when i feel the time is rite, it says there will only be a couple of tailess babies in litters anyway if any at all. i also want 2 know if it could be het like bald as in info it hints on it is but dont acually say.

also a friend that only breeds mice n rats for food had full litters of tailess born in both rats n mice he said they were all really heathly and also females gave birth??? but they were no good 2 him as they didnt have tails so he culled them all til they stopped producing the tailess ones.

i have nothing 2 hide iv said i have breed my male n people have had the babies off me but they know who the father is n they have had all info i have on them n i have told them about the gene n the negitive points n they are probably going 2 breed half bro n sis's 2geva 2 try n get a tailess or 2

obivosly if babies come out deformed n have bad spines or difficulty walking etc etc they (babies) shall be culled n i shall not breed them again, but i am only wanting 2 have at the most 3 litters/females going back 2 my boy as i have chosen my 3 girls

[bampoisongirl]

i swear people told me on here that tailess wasnt genetic? xx

[Mrs dirtydozen]

Originally Posted by bampoisongirl

i swear people told me on here that tailess wasnt genetic? xx

thats what i want 2 find out as i have asked alot of good well known rat breeders that didnt know, lisa found alot of info for me that i have read throught but it dosnt really say about genes, if what my friend told me is true then it suggests that yer it is genetic but i never saw any of his rats or mice n i didnt really ask about them but it wasnt long ago he told me in conversation, i said females were probably sterile or would need a c section 2 get rid of babies but he said his were fine but my female is sterile n it sounds like animalstories is 2 so i dont know what the truth is in what my friend has told me???

[Shell195]

Jen Im not sure if you have seen this or not, it says tailless rats are genetic mutations
AFRMA - Breeding Tailless Rats

[Mrs dirtydozen]

Originally Posted by Shell195

Jen m not sure if you have seen this or not, it says tailless rats are genetic mutations
AFRMA - Breeding Tailless Rats

lol u can foind anything u are lady google lol sod lady gaga

Genetic Mutation
Tailless rats are a genetic mutation. Take into consideration that the reason they are Tailless is due to a defect. Because you are breeding for this defect, you have a much greater chance of having babies with more damaging defects than you would if you were breeding rats with tails. Some of these defects include limp tails, many kinds of leg and spine problems, crooked legs and feet, missing limbs, paralysis, and many others. If you breed animals with any of these problems, you will get more of the same.
I am not saying that you will always have problems when breeding Tailless rats. In fact, problems are fairly rare. It’s just something to watch out for and to breed against.

it says problems are rare which is what i have read b4 so i see no problem in giving it a go i am willing (well the oh will do it) 2 cull any babies straight away that have problems or as soon as i notice the problem.

thanx for that shell its got some good info in it, i have also read that males are healthier than females so i am considering culling females if any are born as i can sex them straight away, im not 2 sure yet?? well thats if i do have any born lol i normally make litters smaller so i get bigger babies n it releves some presure off the mother n dosnt take as much out of her

[LisaLQ]

I think that's misleading, as ALL tailless will have problems regulating temperature, so they ALL have problems.

I personally think tailless shouldn't be bred, for the interest of not being rude I gave you the info to make your own decision, hoping you'd pick the ethical one - but hey - it's your choice.

Chances are that these tailless you've had might not even have been born that way, the majority of tailless rats are down to injury during/after birth.

Even so - I think deliberately breeding something for a disadvantage is wrong - what you think is up to you. Just because I was polite in pm and gave you information to make a decision (which you said in your last pm you'd already made, hence no reply from me!) doesn't mean I approve. Not that you should give a hoot whether I do or not - but please dont make me out to have given you the go ahead, when I clearly havent.

Plus I was talking to the OP and didn't even bring you into it.

[Mrs dirtydozen]

there are many animals out there that are being bred every day that are alot more disavantaged than a tailess rat, things i have read about these have been conflicting so i would like 2 find out for myself. i am only wanting 2 have a couple of litters n like i say they will be culled if deformed.

if my boy isnt a tailess by gene then i wont get any tailess babies, or i may not even if he is a true tailess. i am greatful for the info u gave me n i have taken it in but i have also read somewhere else that it is a myth about the body temp??? it said something along the lines the only down fall is the visual deformity, meaning things like the on the top statement i copied.

i have also read that people show them (althought there arnt alot about at shows) n judges feel for the bone at the base of the tail being in a certain place and being rounded so they know they havnt been chopped off, why do people show or are allowed to show if people think it is unfair breeding them??

im not having a go just a decusion about it as i find it intresting