cross pedigree cats

[feorag]

There can be other reasons why a breeder might cross 2 pedigree cats that aren't acceptable crosses from a breeding point of view.

A friend of mine had Persians and Siamese. Their stud persian was one of their female kittens' father and so when she was ready to be bred they took her to stud - she came back but wasn't pregnant, they took her for a repeat mating and again she came back not pregnant. It was possible that the journey to stud was stressing her too much, but they were also beginning to think that maybe she was sterile, so in a last ditch attempt to find out if she could actually have a litter before spending any more on stud fees, they mated her to their resident Siamese stud boy.

She got pregnant and had a litter of gorgeous cross kittens. When she was ready to be mated again, they took her back to a persian stud and this time she successfully got pregnant - problem solved.

[LisaLQ]

To be fair to those being corrected for giving valid answers - I was answering the OP, not judging biohazard or anyone else who's bought them. They asked what we would pay for a pedigree cross, I gave an answer.

I wasn't asked what I would pay for a permitted cross, but my answer would still have been the same, as I've never even heard of that - although it is interesting stuff. But as I wouldn't buy one anyway, I will always adopt, my answer is the same.

[Athravan]

I love my crosses but obviously I'm in the unfortunate position of having rescued them. The father is apparently a registered burmese - who is un-neutered, yet still allowed to roam freely in the area. He's a magnificent chap but it is such a horribly stupid thing to do, I almost wish someone would steal him to neuter him and look after him properly. As a result there are quite a number of burmese x kittens locally which can't even be given away, let alone charged for, hence how I ended up with the ones dumped I suppose.

I wouldn't pay a lot of something at 6 weeks just because it had a pedigree parent, like my kittens that doesn't mean the owner was responsible or looked after them correctly.

I'd pay good money for a high quality well looked after well socialised animal - and I'd pay a bit more on top if that animal was my favourite breed/type/colour/aesthetically pleasing and also if there's more chance of it having the personality type i'm looking for, at the end of the day if I'm choosing to buy a new pet I will pay more for the one that catches me eye & which I think will have the personality to fit in well with my lifestyle, which a bengal or similar cross certainly would do.

I don't believe in paying money to irresponsible breeders, as this will only condone their actions and force a repeat cycle. I wouldn't buy a pedigree or cross pedigree cat no matter how gorgeous it's looks are if I felt the breeder hadn't raised it correctly, I won't put money back into that.

£150 sounds reasonable for a pedigree cross that's raised well, as stalls are selling moggy's at 6 weeks kept in tiny cages on display for £80 in the local market Breaks my heart.

[feorag]

This isn't a school though, so people aren't being 'corrected' they're being informed and speaking personally I didn't think you were judging anyone.

Buying a kitten/puppy/baby animal or taking on an adult rescue will always be a personal choice and it doesn't suit everyone.

[LisaLQ]

Absolutely, but I was just pointing out that those informing and quoting me were answering as if I'd been speaking to them, when I hadnt, I was speaking generally (and cracked a fairly naff joke with it too).

ETA you can get kittens in rescue too

[Esarosa]

Originally Posted by biohazard156

I just have to say. Your boy is absolutely stunning

[feorag]

Originally Posted by LisaLQ

Absolutely, but I was just pointing out that those informing and quoting me were answering as if I'd been speaking to them, when I hadnt, I was speaking generally (and cracked a fairly naff joke with it too).

ETA you can get kittens in rescue too

Well there's confusion straight away, because bio has quoted you as saying what is listed as being said by your sister, and I quoted your sister so not you, but the quote is the same! So I don't know what's going on there!

However, I was quoting so that anyone else reading the thread would realise why I'd made the point, because you never know who's cross posting with you and it can look like you are referring to a totally different post.

The point I was making was that good specimens of pedigree cats can be crossed deliberately and that was a general statement too for the benefit of anyone else reading the thread so they know that not all pedigree crosses are just crosses or 'accidents', not a judgement on you or your sister for that quote.

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by feorag

As has already been explained, certain pedigree crosses are permitted by governing bodies to increase and improve the gene pool on 'minority' breed cats to prevent them from becoming inbred! So lots of good specimen pedigree cats are deliberated crossed.

So a bengal cross moggie is permitted crossbreeding? That was the example given by the OP lol.

Regardless of intention, it's not a pedigree cat if it's crossed, and if I didn't want a pedigree cat I'd go to a rescue and get a moggie there, there's plenty about.

[toyah]

I think £150 for a 13+ week old cross kitten with vaccinations, etc, is a reasonable price for a kitten from an accidental cross-mating. It depends on the breeder as well though, I wouldn't pay that from a breeder who is just crossing to produce cute crosses, but a genuine accident or a well-thought out part of a breeding plan, theoretically I would have no issue with that.

The rules on crossing breeds differ from association to association and often from breed to breed - some breeds (mainly natural breeds -eg Maine Coons) can't be outcrossed at all, some breeds are allowed to cross into their parent breeds (for example - you can breed Somali variants out of Aby x Somali, but you can't breed "true" Abys out of Somalis), and some breeds can breed to each other (for example - Oriental x Siamese can give both Oriental and Siamese kittens). In TICA, I believe any breed can outcross to any other cat, and in 3/4/5 generations they are considered purebred again ... so you could breed Maine Coon to Persian, then keep breeding the offspring back to Persian, and eventually the kittens are purebred Persian again.

Really, what we need is a system where people can only buy, breed, or sell Somali cats .... no point in having any other breed when you can have a Somali. Hmm, on second thoughts, maybe the Aby people can keep theirs so we can have an outcross

[catastrophyrat]

I wouldn't pay for a cross bred cat if it wasn't cross bred for good reasons such as being a by product of a breeding program and being accepted by GCCF or a genuine accident from a good breeder.
I think too many people think they can make money from crossing pedigree cats they obtain through unscrupulous breeders or even rescues.
Years ago I had a blue Aby x British cream who was a breeder friends accident and she was a beautiful cat but she was reared in exactly the same way as all her other true peds were -tbh it cost the same to rear her.
too many cats in too many rescues need good homes without people adding to the moggie (I use that as an affectionate term not in a derisory sense) population.