Urban chicken keeping

[pigglywiggly]

we can keep anything livestock wise,

but cant make candles!!!!!!!!!

[Pimperella]

Originally Posted by pigglywiggly

we can keep anything livestock wise,

but cant make candles!!!!!!!!!

That'll be back from the tallow candles but god that made me laugh!

[Grond]

Originally Posted by Pimperella

Aye, if it's a rented property aswell. You will need to make sure you get permission and that it is not written into the deeds of no livestock or no poultry. Very oddly some Deeds have it written in no poultry yet you could keep a couple of pigs.
I'm Freehold, would only get freehold and read the deeds beforehand.
On the top half of my garden I can't have a craft stall or a carnie festival (I know!! Bizarro!!!) But on the bottom half I can lol

Ours is freehold, but relatively new so I think all the rules are to stop people doing a 'goodlife' in their back garden and annoying the neighbours!

[Pimperella]

Originally Posted by Grond

Ours is freehold, but relatively new so I think all the rules are to stop people doing a 'goodlife' in their back garden and annoying the neighbours!

Ours was ment for the Goodlife as most bought the bottom half of the gardens from the allotments.
We still have the allotments 3 gardens down from us. Some of the other neighbours used to keep poultry but due to age have now stuck to veg growing. Some have a couple of bags of chicken poo from me to put into the compost for their veg and my close neighbours get free eggs and love them lol Get the odd knock on the door from other neighbours asking if I sell eggs, I just give them a box of 6.
Same with school, my kids teachers love them aswell so in height of laying in spring and summer they all get some.

[Grond]

Originally Posted by Pimperella

Ours was ment for the Goodlife as most bought the bottom half of the gardens from the allotments.
We still have the allotments 3 gardens down from us. Some of the other neighbours used to keep poultry but due to age have now stuck to veg growing. Some have a couple of bags of chicken poo from me to put into the compost for their veg and my close neighbours get free eggs and love them lol Get the odd knock on the door from other neighbours asking if I sell eggs, I just give them a box of 6.
Same with school, my kids teachers love them aswell so in height of laying in spring and summer they all get some.

I'm jealous!

[pigglywiggly]

free eggs keeps `em sweet so they dont complain.

genius idea really.

one of my neighbours was going to put a 16h stallion in her tiny garden.
mental eh?

[Dizz]

It's my housemates own property, but we shall check with the council (who we both work for oddly, but sadly not in the chicken keeping department )

[Someboy]

Originally Posted by Grond

Make sure you're allowed to keep them as well.

Many farm animals, including chickens are illegal on our road. It's written into the deeds of the house that you can't keep them.

Our last house was the same.

Hi,

Just a bit of advice. I keep 3 chickens and I have a restriction on keeping poultry on my deeds. It is called a covenant. It also says people can't have caravans on their drive but eveyone has on our estate.

(See a bit of info below)
In the majority of cases they have only been implemented due to the below and are not enforceable and those that are would actually require a neighbour to actually take action against you (and this would cost them money). So as long as you keep them sweet it should be okay.
There have been cases where neighbours or individuals have taken action against people who want to keep chickens but the case has been fought and won using the "right to farm act"

I am not a lawyer but don't be put off by the convenant as in many cases they are not enforceable even by the council, and also people don't want to enforce them.

Good Luck and you will have your chooks in no time!!!
(Mine are ex-battery and I love my girls to bits, they follow me around and the dogs are not bothered by them at all)
:2 thumb:



(Info from Internet - Money saving expert.com)
"Although restrictive covenants can be imposed in a number of situations, the most common is where there is a housing development.

For a large development there could be a gap of several years between the sale of the first house and the sale of the last house.

During this period the developers will want to ensure that nothing they can control will affect house prices.

If restrictive covenants were not imposed then what the owners of the first few houses did could have a serious effect on the value of all the other houses.

For example, horrendous extensions, caravans in the front garden, car repair businesses being run from the garage, luminous green satellite dishes, noisy parties at all times etc. These are all things that could put off prospective buyers if they give the impression that the development as a whole is 'dodgy'.

So the developers will ensure that in the transfer document of every house on the development they will impose large numbers of restrictive covenants so as to control what the property owners can and cannot do.

As from the date of the last sale the developers will cease to be remotely interested in what anyone on the development does. They have sold all the plots and made their profit and are long gone. But the covenants still remain.

Sometimes the restrictive covenants have been carefully worded and make it clear that they only apply for a certain period of time - long enough for all plots to be sold. However, in most cases they are not time-limited at all.

I must stress here that what I am saying only applies to those restrictive covenants that are only ever intended to be enforceable by the developers. Sometimes what is known as 'a building scheme' is set up and here one householder can enforce their neighbour's restrictive covenants (and vice versa) if they are being breached. Such building schemes are rare.

So the usual scenario is that restrictive covenants that affect a property are queried many years after the development is completed. They look mighty bizarre as a result. In many cases the developers who can enforce them are nowhere to be found. Often they are a company who have gone bust.

Old restrictive covenants of this kind are in fact very often unenforceable because, to be able to enforce them, you have to own land nearby that could be affected if the restrictive covenants were breached. This land clearly has to benefit from the restrictive covenants.

That would certainly have been the case when the housing development had not yet been completed. The plots not yet sold would clearly benefit from the restrictive covenants imposed on all those properties that had been sold. If any were breached the developers would be able to enforce them.

If you own a property subject to restrictive covenants that seem a bit funny nowadays and appear to benefit a company that may have been the original developers, then I wouldn't worry too much if you are breaching them if the developers have either gone bust or you are pretty sure they don't own any land locally.

It is possible to apply to the Lands Tribunal to have obsolete restrictive covenants extinguished. However, the time needed and the cost means it is only an option for developers with very deep pockets.

If old restrictive covenants are causing a potential buyer of your property a problem then indemnity insurance is oten available fairly cheaply.

The position is different where someone sells part of their land for building and imposes restrictive covenants benefiting the land they retain. These will usually benefit the land and can be enforced by subsequent owners. As suggested above the position is also different where there is a building scheme."

[Grond]

Originally Posted by Someboy

Hi,

Just a bit of advice. I keep 3 chickens and I have a restriction on keeping poultry on my deeds. It is called a covenant. It also says people can't have caravans on their drive but eveyone has on our estate.

(See a bit of info below)
In the majority of cases they have only been implemented due to the below and are not enforceable and those that are would actually require a neighbour to actually take action against you (and this would cost them money). So as long as you keep them sweet it should be okay.
There have been cases where neighbours or individuals have taken action against people who want to keep chickens but the case has been fought and won using the "right to farm act"

I am not a lawyer but don't be put off by the convenant as in many cases they are not enforceable even by the council, and also people don't want to enforce them.

Good Luck and you will have your chooks in no time!!!
(Mine are ex-battery and I love my girls to bits, they follow me around and the dogs are not bothered by them at all)
:2 thumb:



(Info from Internet - Money saving expert.com)
"Although restrictive covenants can be imposed in a number of situations, the most common is where there is a housing development.

For a large development there could be a gap of several years between the sale of the first house and the sale of the last house.

During this period the developers will want to ensure that nothing they can control will affect house prices.

If restrictive covenants were not imposed then what the owners of the first few houses did could have a serious effect on the value of all the other houses.

For example, horrendous extensions, caravans in the front garden, car repair businesses being run from the garage, luminous green satellite dishes, noisy parties at all times etc. These are all things that could put off prospective buyers if they give the impression that the development as a whole is 'dodgy'.

So the developers will ensure that in the transfer document of every house on the development they will impose large numbers of restrictive covenants so as to control what the property owners can and cannot do.

As from the date of the last sale the developers will cease to be remotely interested in what anyone on the development does. They have sold all the plots and made their profit and are long gone. But the covenants still remain.

Sometimes the restrictive covenants have been carefully worded and make it clear that they only apply for a certain period of time - long enough for all plots to be sold. However, in most cases they are not time-limited at all.

I must stress here that what I am saying only applies to those restrictive covenants that are only ever intended to be enforceable by the developers. Sometimes what is known as 'a building scheme' is set up and here one householder can enforce their neighbour's restrictive covenants (and vice versa) if they are being breached. Such building schemes are rare.

So the usual scenario is that restrictive covenants that affect a property are queried many years after the development is completed. They look mighty bizarre as a result. In many cases the developers who can enforce them are nowhere to be found. Often they are a company who have gone bust.

Old restrictive covenants of this kind are in fact very often unenforceable because, to be able to enforce them, you have to own land nearby that could be affected if the restrictive covenants were breached. This land clearly has to benefit from the restrictive covenants.

That would certainly have been the case when the housing development had not yet been completed. The plots not yet sold would clearly benefit from the restrictive covenants imposed on all those properties that had been sold. If any were breached the developers would be able to enforce them.

If you own a property subject to restrictive covenants that seem a bit funny nowadays and appear to benefit a company that may have been the original developers, then I wouldn't worry too much if you are breaching them if the developers have either gone bust or you are pretty sure they don't own any land locally.

It is possible to apply to the Lands Tribunal to have obsolete restrictive covenants extinguished. However, the time needed and the cost means it is only an option for developers with very deep pockets.

If old restrictive covenants are causing a potential buyer of your property a problem then indemnity insurance is oten available fairly cheaply.

The position is different where someone sells part of their land for building and imposes restrictive covenants benefiting the land they retain. These will usually benefit the land and can be enforced by subsequent owners. As suggested above the position is also different where there is a building scheme."

Very interesting!

I feel chickens coming on!