Pedigree Dogs Exposed.

[KathyM]

LOL he was doing that years back - slander, threats the works. Nothing new for him.

[sophs87]

From what i got from that programe (forgive me if im wrong it was a while back) was that breeders are trying so hard to make the kc breed standards and that they were so out of date, for example on one breed it was reccomended by the kennel club to cull a pup if it wasnt a certain colour or wasnt ok for showing when the pup was healthy just not breed standard , and that the curlier the pugs tail the better in the show rings but to get that the dog has a slight curve in the spine...the bit that made me really sad tho was a woman whos spaniel have the disease that made it fit and she still studded him out because he was nice looking and felt no remorse for maybe passing this on to the pups. I will be breeding my shihtzu ones shes been health tested by the vet, and all the pups are staying in the family. i am, not aware of any breed specific health tests for shihtzus unless they show symptoms for it( and i cant remember what its called) if any one knows any different please pm me as i sometimes dont check back on threads. thanks xx

[Talk To The Animals]

Originally Posted by Twiglet

Inbreeding does NOT create problems that are not already existant, it simply fixes certain traits all ready present into a breeding line for good or ill.

Out of interest, how does inbreeding get rid of undesirable traits, if done responsibly? I don't get the mechanics of it - could someone help me out and explain please?

x

[bendigo]

Originally Posted by Talk To The Animals

Out of interest, how does inbreeding get rid of undesirable traits, if done responsibly? I don't get the mechanics of it - could someone help me out and explain please?

x

we watched this video yesterday in class actually.

the basics of how inbreeding to remove undesirable traits works is lets say you have 2 dogs who are breed standard perfection, now lets say that alot of the dogs that belong to this particular breed often get blotches or spots on there coat that are not breed standard and not permitted in the show ring, you would then breed these 2 dogs who are show standard perfection and hopefully produe all pups with a clean, unblotched coat. you then breed the father to daugther, mother to son and brother to sister (i think father to daughter is now banned but you would have to check) to create more blotchless puppys, do this a few times and you will most likely have created dogs who do not carry the gene for a blotchy coat and therefore have removed an undesirable trait from that particular breed.


that should be the jist of it

(also sorry if there are letters where there shouldnt be or missing in the paragraph, my keyboard is bust)

[LisaLQ]

Yes - essentially, if you continually outcross, your whole line could carry something like (for example) higher risk of tumours. If you line breed you bring those to the fore so that you can remove them from your gene pool (and no, that doesn't mean bumping anything off - just not breeding from them). If you dont line breed then you never know what your animals might be prone to - could eventually breed to another animal carrying the same genetic problem, and then realise you have to start all over again because ALL of your other animals will carry the same thing.

I would not get breeding rats from someone who didnt responsibly breed, and that includes line breeding. If someone continually outcrossed, they could not guarantee the health of their lines because their animals could be carrying several recessive genes that would only show up when it was too late, and the whole of your breeding stock could be unusable.

[LisaLQ]

Originally Posted by Kerriebaby

he was...went one step too far tho ( border line illegal )

Yeah, he's a funny bloke. There's nothing borderline about him. He told everyone I was having sex with my dog....

[LisaLQ]

Originally Posted by sophs87

From what i got from that programe (forgive me if im wrong it was a while back) was that breeders are trying so hard to make the kc breed standards and that they were so out of date, for example on one breed it was reccomended by the kennel club to cull a pup if it wasnt a certain colour or wasnt ok for showing when the pup was healthy just not breed standard , and that the curlier the pugs tail the better in the show rings but to get that the dog has a slight curve in the spine...the bit that made me really sad tho was a woman whos spaniel have the disease that made it fit and she still studded him out because he was nice looking and felt no remorse for maybe passing this on to the pups. I will be breeding my shihtzu ones shes been health tested by the vet, and all the pups are staying in the family. i am, not aware of any breed specific health tests for shihtzus unless they show symptoms for it( and i cant remember what its called) if any one knows any different please pm me as i sometimes dont check back on threads. thanks xx

Yeah it saddens me too that looks are worth more than health to many - just because I think the programme was really bad fact wise, I dont disagree that there is a huge problem with breed standards and those breeding for looks.

It's just as rife out of the KC as within it though - at least with the KC they can (somewhat) regulate how often a bitch is bred from etc. Just their standards suck, most of the dogs bred today couldn't do the job they were originally made to do - it's very very sad.

[temeraire]

Originally Posted by LisaLQ

If someone continually outcrossed, they could not guarantee the health of their lines because their animals could be carrying several recessive genes that would only show up when it was too late, and the whole of your breeding stock could be unusable.

This happened some years ago with rats in the Netherlands. Breeders there were very morally opposed to any form of line-breeding or inbreeding, however mild... basically, no two names the same in 4 generations. They imported new lines from the USA and continued in this fashion for a few years then seemingly out of the blue, many rats from different breeders were born with Megacolon in a fairly short period of time. What they had effectively done was to seed the various gene/s responsible among all their breeding lines, and a critical point was reached when just about everything they had could potentially reproduce the defect.

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by LisaLQ

Yeah, he's a funny bloke. There's nothing borderline about him. He told everyone I was having sex with my dog....

LOL I just spat coffee, I forgot about that. I still have the man's photo somewhere from when he was trying to get me to go meet him. A very lonely chap indeed lol, and very bad taste in shirts (and wigs).

[LisaLQ]

LOL toupee, ma petit pois, toupee!