Pedigree Dogs Exposed.

[ema671]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O0l0f50AAk

[Krista]

Oh this made me cry and I could not watch all of it.

This has been a topic on the news not so long ago....and questioning the ethos of Breeding that the Kennel Club aspire to!!!!! making the perfect show dog!

Does it really matter if my Bullie has a cork screw tail? well poor bloody dog has NO tail now!!!!!!

I love my Boys dearly but even before the news report and the above footage, both my Husband and I have decided that we will not be buying this breed again...so so sad really as they are such good dogs.

Jingle Bells

[lizardloverrach]

I watched this on tv a while ago but just had a look at the clip, it made me cry. The kennel club and breeders need to start putting health before anything else.
Ive noticed lots of breeders/dog people asking me about breeding summer,
and their questions usually revolve around her looks. there have been few who have asked about her health or even if ive had her health tested at all!. some just dont care, even though i was asking about their stud dog.
(hence its taken me 2 years to find one...) one guy informed me that even though his dog had a HORRENDOUS hipscore he would still stud him 'lightly' as he was such a stunning dog.
But there are a few excellent breeders!! KC reg means nothing except your getting pedigree, it has no guarantees for health whatsoever.

If anyones going to breed they should get every breed relevant health test/general health tests also and if anything crops bad the dog should be spayed or neutered. If summers hipscore results come back bad i will not be booking the stud i will be booking a spay.

[LisaLQ]

Is it that tosh that was shown on BBC1 a while ago? The one with that horrible woman vet who knows nothing (the one that said all greyhounds should be put to sleep)?

Not watching it if it is, had far than enough exposure as it is, and the "facts" in it are questionable to say the least (especially all the rubbish on inbreeding).

[SiUK]

Originally Posted by LisaLQ

Is it that tosh that was shown on BBC1 a while ago? The one with that horrible woman vet who knows nothing (the one that said all greyhounds should be put to sleep)?

Not watching it if it is, had far than enough exposure as it is, and the "facts" in it are questionable to say the least (especially all the rubbish on inbreeding).

Yeah it does protray it in a really bad light, I got told that alot of it was very one sided and anti, but I dont know enough about dog breeding to pick up on what was bull and what wasnt

[LisaLQ]

I think in dog breeding there are people who aren't working for health and original purpose (eg. being able to do the job the breed was made for). So that bit I do understand.

What I simply wont agree with is the misinformation on inbreeding and saying it "causes" health problems. It doesnt. Breeding any unhealthy dog to another unhealthy dog causes health problems. Inbreeding is essential to draw out carried health or temperament issues so that you can breed away from them. Continual outcrossing is far more dangerous to animals health/temperament than inbreeding.

I'm not saying I think that there aren't many many dog breeders who shouldn't be breeding - that I agree with. I also think the show standards should be changed (although I believe from what little I've heard about it that this is already starting) so that we can get back to the dogs original purpose and better health.

Blaming everything on inbreeding however is not only ridiculous but dangerous for those who believe it, and continually outcross, only to find that ALL their dogs carry the same health problem that would have been picked up and removed had they responsibly inbred/linebred.

[Twiglet]

The inbreeding debate always ruffles my feathers a little.
Inbreeding does NOT create problems that are not already existant, it simply fixes certain traits all ready present into a breeding line for good or ill.
Inbreeding is not the problem in itself. Indiscriminate inbreeding is what is causing the problems.
The breeding of a show standard animal of any species requires a high degree of skill on the breeders part although I am a huge advocate for breeding as much for health and temperament as for shape/size/colour/whatever.

What I cant fathom is how accredited breeders can look at thier animals and not think "what have I done?"
What is the point in a stunning looking animal that bites/fits/cant behave as the species should? Whilst I wont condemn the KC entirely I WILL condemn those feckless imbeciles that insist on breeding dogs into ever more unnatural shapes. Its comforting to know that the KC is pulling its finger out (albeit rather too late) and changing breed standards in the name of welfare. Like so many hobbies, it seems to me that show breeding can become obsessive and rediculously competitive.

I breed show hamsters and was breeding show mice (and soon will be again) and in both cases breeding for show is aiming to accentuate the things that makes these species what they are rather than contorting them into strange shapes. So show fancy mice do have bigger ears than pet types ones and show syrian hamsters are very large compared to the ones found in pet shops. This is because they are carefully bred.
Whilst I'm talking about syrian hamsters, we all know that todays syrians are bred from but a single female and her offspring. They have to be one of the most inbred pet species out there and yet they suffer from amazingly few problems. This is because lines that show health issues are simply not bred from once a problem is noted.
And again back to the indiscriminate inbreeding again... pet hamster and mice bred by mass producing suppliers are more prone to problems than show type. This is clearly down to crab breeding plans and lack of care for the ongoing welfare of the animal.
A breeder exhibiting an animal displaying the difficulties in walking seen in GSD's for example would be slated and discredited. And in my opinion, rightly so!

Another point I'd like to make regarding comments so often made about the better health of mongrels is the sudden trent in breeding random breeds together in order to create a dog with a stupid name like labradoodle or cockapoo... how long is it before we see crosses like these going down the same route as the other pedigree breeds? Breeders have cottoned on to the fact that people love the idiocy of these breed names and there are more and more about.
All this talk of hybrid vigour (which bugs me immensely... when did a cross breed of the same species become a hybrid for gods sake?!) may to a degree be true. I for one will not contest the fact that mongrels generally have less health problems and live longer but I can just see a very obvious trend setting in.

I believe it is the kennel clubs responsibility to discredit the crap breeders ruining their clubs reputation and should stop creating the rediculous breed standards that cause such damage.

Kat

[Amazon29]

always the dogs that suffer!

[LoveForLizards]

It would take somebody with very low intellect to believe everything (or even most of it) on that programme.

[Tyrone]

It's not rocket science that breed standards are turning dogs into deformed excuses for dogs in some cases. its usually the people making a mint out of it that deny it all.