Pure BSH or not...

[Nawien]

Hello everyone,

Sorry if it's a silly question, but i was wondering how GCCF registration process is happening and if it is possible that my BSH kitten who is registered is not pure bsh.. Please don't lynch me, it's just I have some doubts as my kitten is..well not as chubby as other kitties on pics and got this long thin pointed tail, whether bsh should have a thick one with a rounded tip...Thanks in advance..

[Gemstone Dragons]

Yes it is possible for a dodgy breeder to register a litter fathered to her boy for example after her girl got out and was mated by the local moggie.

It is also possible your kitten was the result of a breeder who didnt care about the breed chucking 2 cats together producing a litter without many of the breeds traits as opposed to carefully choosing 2 good examples of the breed with the hope they will pass these traits on to the litter.

Hope this helps.

[Shell195]

What age did up get your kitten at ?
Do you have any photos?

Sadly there are a few unscrupulous breeders about

[feorag]

Where BSHs are concerned, it can depend on the age and the colour.

BSHs mature very slowly and don't reach their full maturity until they are something like about 4-5 year old. It's very frustrating for people showing BSHs, because show rules say a kitten is an adult at 9 months, which is fine for breeds like Siamese and Orientals which mature early, but very difficult for breeds like BSHs which mature late as they are consistently put down for immaturity! So if your kitten is still quite young, it could still 'fill out'.

If your kitten or its parents are a 'newly developed' colour, then type may have suffered to get the colour right. For instance chocolate and cinnamon British may not be as 'chunky' as the British Blues, because they're a newly established colour and that colour will have been brought in by outcrossing to another breed with different type.

However, another option is that you've bought a kitten bred from stock which isn't top quality. In cats there is a "non-active register" which prevents people from registering kittens bred from cats that the breeder thinks is "pet quality", this is designed to protect the breeder. However, some breeders don't take advantage of this and register all their kittens on the active register, which then means someone can buy a "pet quality" kitten and breed from it, producing pet quality kittens, but still able to register them, because they are of course pedigree cats.

And finally you have your unscrupulous breeder who might be mating pedigree to non-pedigree, but as long as they have entire cats registered at GCCF they could still register a litter of kittens as being from those cats, when they in fact aren't. Or they could register an 'extra' kitten in a normal pedigree litter and then declare that they are breeding from that non-existent kitten while using a non-pedigree cat in its place.

Sadly, all systems are open to abuse by the unscrupulous.

[Shell195]

Originally Posted by feorag

Where BSHs are concerned, it can depend on the age and the colour.

BSHs mature very slowly and don't reach their full maturity until they are something like about 4-5 year old. It's very frustrating for people showing BSHs, because show rules say a kitten is an adult at 9 months, which is fine for breeds like Siamese and Orientals which mature early, but very difficult for breeds like BSHs which mature late as they are consistently put down for immaturity! So if your kitten is still quite young, it could still 'fill out'.

If your kitten or its parents are a 'newly developed' colour, then type may have suffered to get the colour right. For instance chocolate and cinnamon British may not be as 'chunky' as the British Blues, because they're a newly established colour and that colour will have been brought in by outcrossing to another breed with different type.

However, another option is that you've bought a kitten bred from stock which isn't top quality. In cats there is a "non-active register" which prevents people from registering kittens bred from cats that the breeder thinks is "pet quality", this is designed to protect the breeder. However, some breeders don't take advantage of this and register all their kittens on the active register, which then means someone can buy a "pet quality" kitten and breed from it, producing pet quality kittens, but still able to register them, because they are of course pedigree cats.

And finally you have your unscrupulous breeder who might be mating pedigree to non-pedigree, but as long as they have entire cats registered at GCCF they could still register a litter of kittens as being from those cats, when they in fact aren't. Or they could register an 'extra' kitten in a normal pedigree litter and then declare that they are breeding from that non-existent kitten while using a non-pedigree cat in its place.

Sadly, all systems are open to abuse by the unscrupulous.

[pigglywiggly]

well put eileen.

all the different colours of british are different sizes and shapes,
the blues and creams tend to be big square cats with lots of chins, but the bacardi cat who is a silver tabby is a lot smaller and sleeker and dont look the same breed!

[feorag]

Exactly! It's the same in the persian breeds and face length. The Golden Persians and Chinchillas by no means have the very flat face and nose nearly between the eyes that some of the other colours have - a good thing imao!!

[pigglywiggly]

i love the old fashioned persians too, who decided to put the new ones noses up there on their foreheads wants shooting!


can you post pictures though? what colour is the kitten and what colour eyes does it have? the eye colour can be a dead giveaway of something slipping over the fence.

tbh though, my bsh x ragdoll kittens did look a lot more like bsh than some of the ones advertised as bsh lately




can you tell which ones pure out of these two?

[Shell195]

Originally Posted by pigglywiggly

i love the old fashioned persians too, who decided to put the new ones noses up there on their foreheads wants shooting!

Totally agree

[Nawien]

Wow am very grateful for such a detailed replies..Sorry for a late answer, had to help my mate move the house all day..
I was so exited when I was finally able to get a kitty of my own, I was searching for a while and then this breeder came along and "sounded right" I was looking for a self blue or chocolate kitten, but when she brought a tiny silver kitten I... totally fell for it. I guess we all been there when you looking at it and thinking, you gotta be mine, no way am letting THIS go.. lol
I know you will kick and stone me.. I haven't seen parents, as she said that her boyfriend keeps the stud boy, as she fosters several cats (pregnant) as well as her breeding queens, but honestly when I saw that kitty i just wanted to snatch it and get it home.. But again I got her as an indoor pet and she had been registered on non-active. She came from a litter of golden-tipped +2 more like her which i believe is silver shaded spotted, but to be honest breeder couldn't even give a proper name to her color calling it black tipped first (which she certainly isn't) However she used to work as a veterinary nurse and she is legal microchipper (well at least she claimed so) Don't get me wrong she was a very lovely lady and in no way I would intend to disrespect her as a breeder and I don't care even if my baby gonna turn out to be a moggy I will still love her to bits as she is the weirdest (in a wonderful way) tamest purring machine I have ever seen in my life..)) Just confusing that being a breeder you certainly should be able to at least name the colour properly..
It is just interesting to understand how a system works because people like me tend to see all these confusing GCCF's TICA's and think it's a guarantee of getting a quality pet. I got a pedigree paper, which is basically a family tree printed out and laminated, not sure how should it look like, is there am official document, or is it up to a breeder how it would look like..And is there actually any way to check if parents are existing registered animals?
Also I see what you mean saying that BSH maturing slowly, I got her on her 13th week and she was a proper lanky skinny thing with thin long legs and a longest tail I've seen lol she is 6 month now and starts filling up, she weighted 900 grams when I got her, she is 1.9 kg now..Also she was TINY comparing to her brothers I think she could have been a runt or maybe because she wasn't from that litter at all.. Again, that what makes me think it could be a dodgy kitty )))

Anyway, pics from approx couple of weeks after I got her..: