Hamm Deaths

[cornmorphs]

Originally Posted by Tops

I think you would be much better off splitting the cost and driving with someone/anyone than going on a coach. For the comfort factor if nothing else.

And not listening to Niges snoring... I hear its legendary..

OI, carry on like that and you'll be the next one getting sued

[tarantulabarn]

And not listening to Niges snoring... I hear its legendary..[/quote]

Brings a new meaning to the word "FOG WARNING"

[missk]

Originally Posted by tarantulabarn

If any passengers decide to bring animals back, and believe it or not only about 60% do, then they can, provided they stick to the rules regarding the transport of animals, which incidently are not our rules

This does not explain their creation of a thread promoting coach to the show, in which they talk about the service as though directly involved in it. Still confused...

[tarantulabarn]

Originally Posted by missk

This does not explain their creation of a thread promoting coach to the show, in which they talk about the service as though directly involved in it. Still confused...

Sorry i dont quite understand this reply (had a long day) who are "they"

[cornmorphs]

Originally Posted by tarantulabarn

And not listening to Niges snoring... I hear its legendary..

Brings a new meaning to the word "FOG WARNING" [/quote]
ironically, i dont snore at home... it seems to be sitting up on coaches lol

[cooljules]

i have driven reptiles, from Sheffield to Berlin, taking it steady so 18 hours fine, sat on my back seat in a box, and we have a BD that was born in Denmark that was driven over with many many others..

reptiles are hardy, keep them cool and they travel well, its only a few more unusual things that are not as easy.

[missk]

First off I want to make it clear I am genuinely curious, not trying to discredit anyone or start arguements, but some of this just isn't adding up! I hope its ok, since the last link didnt work I just cut and pasted this from another forum (highlighted in red the bits which directly link the individual offering a courier service from hamm (supposedly discouraged by coach to the show organisers) with advertising coach to the show services as though they themselves are an organiser of the service):







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[IMG]http://************reptileforum.com/images/icons/icon1.gif[/IMG] So, What is 'Hamm' ?
Hamm, or more correctly, Terraristika Hamm, is a reptile show held 3 times a year in a small German town called.... Hamm !

Run buy a team lead by Frank, they also run a number of other animal related shows, but Terraristika has grown to be the biggest Reptile show in Europe, possibly the world.

Hundreds of traders gather early in the morning to set up ready for between 12,000 and 14,000 buyers ! Theres a huge range of species on offer, and many breeders and traders will take advance orders so you can collect your new pet on the day.

So, how can you get there?

There are many ways to get to Hamm. Some people like to fly, as its faster and with cheap flights all around can be cost effective. The big problem with flying is the transport of any animals back to the UK. You have to make special arrangements with your airline for this.

You can also drive there, we have done this many times, often with a convoy of cars. Just remember, its quite a way, infact from calais to Hamm is around 290 miles and 5 hours driving time, so leave plenty of time for rests.

If you are driving, dont forget that you will be driving in four countries, and each have thier own driving rules, for example, in Germany the alcohol level limit for driving is nil ! (so dont have a crafty one in the cafe !). You will also need items such as warning triangles, first aid kits, Hi vis jackets fire extinguisher, and headlight adjusters. If you are planning to drive, we suggest you check all the rules before you travel, and make sure you have the correct cover for both insurance and breakdown.

You can also ride the coach. There are a few ways to do this, but with coachtotheshow, our luxury European cruise coaches pick you up from one of nine pick up points across England, Scotland and Wales. They whisk you to an exclusive meeting point near the Eurotunnel.

Here, at Ashford Truck Stop, there is time to have a good meal, freshen up, Have a beer at the bar, even take a shower !

Then its onwards through the tunnel and through the night until we arrive at the show. We spend all day at the show, then make our return back through the tunnel to the Truck Stop.

Then all the coaches split up and return you to your pick up point.

So, we take all the worry about long drives, all the extras needed in the car, all the cost of fuel, crossing the boarders etc. out of the trip.

You also have the benefit of going with those who have been many times before, and can get the chance of meeting up with others.

In addition, we have arranged to get our passengers tickets early so you dont even need to que to buy them.

Thats the low down on Hamm, if you have never been then Its a must !

If you have been, you will want to go back.

[tarantulabarn]

PJ is an organiser with coachtotheshow. As such he is free to promote it. However, he is not restricted to only that activity, he has his own life and that includes many other aspects, one of which happens to be a relationship with a number of large American Gecko breeders.

He has advertised that he can provide a collection / delivery service for these breeders. He is the holder of a SVS transport authority and has business insurance on his car. He takes responsibility for the service he offers.

The service HE offers has never, and never will be, on offer from coach to the show. NOWHERE has he or any one else EVER stated the service was provided by coachtotheshow.

Coachtotheshow has never been advertised as a courier service.

Purejurrasic has offered a courier service.

So, to steal a famous tv adverts saying:

If you want to go to a show, goto coachtotheshow.com,

If you want geckos brought back from a show, goto purejurrasic

[missk]

I assume PJ uses the coach as a means of couriering the animals from Hamm to the UK, after which they move to his own vehicle.

this does not fall under the banner of coachtotheshow discouraging couriering of animals via the coach as per your numbered point, as organisers are in fact doing it themselves.

unless the offered courier service is unsuitable, which in coachtotheshow's mind it is because it is discouraged, why is it offered by seomeone who is supposed to discourage it?

It is hypocritical.

[tarantulabarn]

We discourage third party collections but do not ban it, mainly for space on the coach reasons, which is also another point raised which has been addressed