Hamm Deaths

[frog boy]

Ladies and Gentlemen. Boys and Girls.

I have been asked to post this information:

Having begun court proceedings against the 2 individuals that operate Coachtotheshow. In order to recover the financial losses that I suffered, when the animals I purchased died in transit from the Hamm reptile show in March 2008.
I am pleased to announce that an out of court agreement has been reached.
For my part I have been asked to acknowledge that the welfare of the animals is not the responsibility of the organisers.

What you may be interested to read is that according to the mediation service:

Coachtotheshow do not market themselves as organisers of coach trips to go buy reptiles and amphibians. But only to take people to reptile fairs such as Hamm.

Apparently they stopped 3 times on the return journey in order that people could check the boxes of animals. Interesting can’t recall that happening, and as they do not market themselves as organisers of coach trips to buy animals why would they?

Apparently it’s common knowledge that I was taking these people to court on the forums, well as I have never placed anything about taking them to court on the forums and have been most careful who I have told of this action I’m not sure how.

Well what does this mean for future travellers?

Your animals, your responsibility, even if they are loaded against the engine compartment.

Hopefully you won’t suffer like I have and receive the reply: that I would have to take legal action in order to recover my losses. (A response that staggered a former Head of Trading Standards)

PS. I was offered free tickets to travel with them too the next Hamm event, I politely declined.

Your choice people.

Frog Boy

[yellow_python]

Do you mind saying what the 'out of court settlement' was? Was it the total cost of ll animals lost? or part of?

Your not the only one who lost animals on a similar trip so any more info would help a lot

[xXFooFooLaFluffXx]

Originally Posted by frog boy

Hopefully you won’t suffer like I have and receive the reply: that I would have to take legal action in order to recover my losses. (A response that staggered a former Head of Trading Standards)

PS. I was offered free tickets to travel with them too the next Hamm event, I politely declined.

Your choice people.

Frog Boy

sorry, that made me LMAO

[sparkle]

Originally Posted by frog boy

PS. I was offered free tickets to travel with them too the next Hamm event, I politely declined.

Your choice people.

Frog Boy

I am unsure how you managed to stay polite... bravo...

Thank you for posting this !!!!

[Art_Gecko101]

to anyone who's been on one of the coachtrips, what measures do they put in place to stop people putting the reps they buy in their handbag and taking them on the coach instead of loading them? With small reps i dont see why that's not allowed, then surely the onus is on the buyer and the organisers won't be left open to action.

[Living Rain]

Really glad to hear you got a positive out come although No animal deaths would have been better.

Did you get compensation for all that where lost ?

I know a few people who lost alot of money, but some where rare geckos to get your hands on also.

If people had supported Brian when he ran the Hamm trips none of this might of happened - as he is a reptile kepper and not just in it for the money side.

Cheers Steve

[gtm]

I can't see how other people will be 'bound' by an out of court settlement. I think that the coachtotheshow people should have done more sooner to investigate / prevent deaths. Instead it happened on 2 separate trips that I'm aware of. Furthermore, any complaints were met with counter allegations of neglect & laughable threats of legal action.

[reptiles-ink]

I have been on 3 trips with them, 1 of them being the trip in question.
I was fortunate to have not had any losses on any of the trips, the same goes for my brother who was on 2 of them.
We ensure that our reps are packed suitably allowing plenty of airspace in the boxes.

Also the rules for the transit of the reps has changed permitting them to travel inside the coach with you.

On the trip in question there were several people that had so many purchases they were cramming them into the polly boxes in order to fit them all in. I'm not saying that the op was 1 of these but there were definately some people that were simply foolish.

[LEXCORN]

Originally Posted by Living Rain

Really glad to hear you got a positive out come although No animal deaths would have been better.

Did you get compensation for all that where lost ?

I know a few people who lost alot of money, but some where rare geckos to get your hands on also.

If people had supported Brian when he ran the Hamm trips none of this might of happened - as he is a reptile kepper and not just in it for the money side.

Cheers Steve

Well said Steve,

We travel over to Houten & Hamm incorporating a small vacation staying with relatives. But would not hesitate to travel with Brian Davies were it not for family commitments.

Trouble is that everyone wants something cheaper & the plain fact is "you get what you pay for".

Sad to say that the animals payed the ultimate price here.

Regards. Lex

[Issa]

Congrats on the result, but I bet this thread ends up deleted or heavily edited before I get back from work tonight.