Hamm- The Star of the Show -for me anyway -)

[hogboy]

Was a Corn -)







The Scaleless cornsnake, coming to all morphs soon
I had seen pics of these guys, but nothing compares to seeing them in the flesh
And they feel like no other snake i have ever encountered.
i was really blown away by these things.
This was an Okeetee, but there were also Anerys and a few others, big price tag, but................. worth it i think.
No other animal created such a buzz by all who had seen it
The other Star was the Toffeebelly Hognose, i'm in love -)

[White_raven666]

I think its hideous. my opinion though
A brilliant example of inbreeding. Spose if youre into leatherback beardies and enigma leopard geckos then thisll be your thing too.

[hogboy]

I dont think inbreeding has anything to do with it.
Just a one off wc oddball, thats proven to be recessive.
Not everyones cup of tea, but i've never seen anything like it before.

[ophidianman]

Originally Posted by hogboy

Was a Corn -)







The Scaleless cornsnake, coming to all morphs soon
I had seen pics of these guys, but nothing compares to seeing them in the flesh
And they feel like no other snake i have ever encountered.
i was really blown away by these things.
This was an Okeetee, but there were also Anerys and a few others, big price tag, but................. worth it i think.
No other animal created such a buzz by all who had seen it
The other Star was the Toffeebelly Hognose, i'm in love -)

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I agree. Two and a half grand is a lot to pay for a guttata but they had males there that will breed next year.............So make loadsa hets with different colours / morphs and hopefully you'll be quids in in a couple of years time ?

Missed the 'Toffee Belly'. I wanted to see one but didn't have time before the show opened to get round everywhere. Once the doors open it's 'man the stand' and it's difficult to get out in the crowds again. Thanks for posting the pics.

[Alex M]

They look amazing in many ways, but i'm personally very much against this kind of thing, trying to breed something that would not naturally survive in the wild should it occur. The 'new school' keepers want to turn reptiles into poodles and i despise it. Only my personal opinion.

[tonkaz0]

yea Im not sure about scaleless!, but the pattern is bloody awsome .

[hogboy]

I'd seen the Toffeebelly hogs in pics, and thought they were ok, but seeing the 3 colour phases in person blew me away.
Just thought they were a little bit too pricey, but when the price comes down a bit, they will be Massive

[ophidianman]

Originally Posted by Alex M

They look amazing in many ways, but i'm personally very much against this kind of thing, messing with nature to extremes. The 'new school' keepers want to turn reptiles into poodles and i despise it. Only my personal opinion.

Al. It's not 'Messing with Nature'. Nature created it in the first place. A naturally occurring 'mutant' If its selective breeding from an original wild caught specimen I don't see a problem.

[Alex M]

Originally Posted by ophidianman

Al. It's not 'Messing with Nature. Nature created it in the first place. A naturally occurring 'mutant' If its selective breeding from an original wild caught specimen I don't see a problem.

Bare with me Geoff as it's pub talk flowing from my fingers! Just i'm not sure that these particular mutants would survive for long in the wild, the little i know about 'scaleless' herps tells me that they're very susceptible to skin infections etc and are very problematic to keep?. It's kind of like breeding people to be disabled, no? (absolutely no offence intended, i'm sure people reading will understand the point i'm trying to make).

[penfold]

i think these were totally stunning i thought the price was £3500 each when we asked as for breeding something that would not survive in the wild what about albinos etc