Essex show cancelled

[wohic]

ha

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

i found this on the APA site


Stop Pet Markets

HELP US TO DEAL WITH THE DEALERS!
- and finally secure a ban on pet markets that will be properly enforced

With the help of our supporters, APA spearheaded a campaign to persuade the Government to propose a ban on the commercial selling of pets at fairs and markets. We now need to ensure that the ban is enacted and properly enforced. By supporting APA, you can help to ensure that pet animals are not subjected to appalling treatment at markets.
Our new leaflet draws a clear distinction between events that involve the private, non-commercial sales of pets, which are legal, and the law- breaking that takes place at pet markets. We believe that the only way for local Councils to monitor these activities and enforce the ban on commercial pet sales is via a system of licensing.
A licensing system would mean that prospective organisers would be required to apply for a licence from their local Council in advance of an event. In the licence application, full details of anyone planning to sell animals would have to be given, along with the numbers and types of animals they plan to sell, and the price the animals would be sold at. Council officers would then be in a position to decide whether or not to issue a licence - if they deemed the activity to be commercial then no licence would be given and the event would be disallowed.
If, on the other hand, the event was deemed to be non-commercial then the Council could licence and inspect the event to ensure that high welfare standards were being maintained.
We believe that a licensing system would be a workable solution to the current enforcement problems faced by local Councils and would end the trade in stressed, sick and suffering pet animals at markets.

I actually dont see that anyone would have a problem with that proposal........ it actually makes a lot of sence, what the AR dont seem to realize is this is how the shows are pretty much run already

[Connie_F]

All, please see

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/repti...ml#post4757505

Thanks
Connie
Secretary
Essex Reptiles & Amphibians Club

[platypus]

Originally Posted by wohic

ha


I actually dont see that anyone would have a problem with that proposal........ it actually makes a lot of sence, what the AR dont seem to realize is this is how the shows are pretty much run already

Every show i have been to has been checked by vet/vets and they have asked lots of questions etc . These animal professionals are more than happy with the quality and the housing etc of all livestock displayed . That alone should be enough for any local school over the word of someones mum .
My Mum thinks i am loverly so it must be true

[Natrix]

For those that were not around pre the Animal Welfare Bill this is basically a return to the good old bad old days.
Before the AWB we lost around twenty shows over a three year period, all attacked by several animal rights groups who came to be known as the Antis. We also lost several clubs that folded due to lost revenue from the shows.
The attacks slowed up and stopped when DEFRA began discussing what new regulations should be included in the AWB. The antis made all sorts of claims and we disproved them and everyone was kept busy.
The AWB has now reached its final stages and it has become clear that the antis have not got what they wanted eg we are still here and shows are still legal. The result of this is what we are now seeing. Every show this year has been attacked. By this new anti campaign. Local councils, residents, media and venues are being swamped with anti reptile propaganda (lies) and councils and venue owners are beginning to panic and try and council up coming shows.
Going on past history this situation will become worse and more shows will run into problems. We will see more and more propaganda and bull from these people and we will lose more shows and clubs.
It is early days and I’m not sure what course this will all take but over the next few months, I suspect that this situation is going to become a major issue for all of us. The main thing is that we all understand that when these things happen it is not the fault of the show organisers and that they, the FBH and Chris Newman will be working madly in the back ground trying to solve the problems that have arisen. This may mean that they are too busy to get the information out to everyone as quick as we would like but I can assure you that they will be trying their best for all of us.
If any one is wanting to get angry about the situation, remember to get angry with the antis not the guys that are in the front line and taking all the flak on your behalf.

Gordon

[DazedLewis]

Originally Posted by Natrix

For those that were not around pre the Animal Welfare Bill this is basically a return to the good old bad old days.
Before the AWB we lost around twenty shows over a three year period, all attacked by several animal rights groups who came to be known as the Antis. We also lost several clubs that folded due to lost revenue from the shows.
The attacks slowed up and stopped when DEFRA began discussing what new regulations should be included in the AWB. The antis made all sorts of claims and we disproved them and everyone was kept busy.
The AWB has now reached its final stages and it has become clear that the antis have not got what they wanted eg we are still here and shows are still legal. The result of this is what we are now seeing. Every show this year has been attacked. By this new anti campaign. Local councils, residents, media and venues are being swamped with anti reptile propaganda (lies) and councils and venue owners are beginning to panic and try and council up coming shows.
Going on past history this situation will become worse and more shows will run into problems. We will see more and more propaganda and bull from these people and we will lose more shows and clubs.
It is early days and I’m not sure what course this will all take but over the next few months, I suspect that this situation is going to become a major issue for all of us. The main thing is that we all understand that when these things happen it is not the fault of the show organisers and that they, the FBH and Chris Newman will be working madly in the back ground trying to solve the problems that have arisen. This may mean that they are too busy to get the information out to everyone as quick as we would like but I can assure you that they will be trying their best for all of us.
If any one is wanting to get angry about the situation, remember to get angry with the antis not the guys that are in the front line and taking all the flak on your behalf.

Gordon

Looks like its going to be a confusing next few years...

[LFBP-NEIL]

Somebody might want to post some sensible comments on the following website to the following news item....


Illegal reptile market disallowed by Brentwood Council and Shenfield High School

[Crownan]

Originally Posted by pink

Somebody might want to post some sensible comments on the following website to the following news item....


Illegal reptile market disallowed by Brentwood Council and Shenfield High School

I tried to comment but it kept telling me the comment was too long, and it was only a few lines. I couldnt cut it down to anything worth typing so I gave up

Such misinformed idiots are ruining it for the masses.

[herpmad]

Originally Posted by Natrix

For those that were not around pre the Animal Welfare Bill this is basically a return to the good old bad old days.
Before the AWB we lost around twenty shows over a three year period, all attacked by several animal rights groups who came to be known as the Antis. We also lost several clubs that folded due to lost revenue from the shows.
The attacks slowed up and stopped when DEFRA began discussing what new regulations should be included in the AWB. The antis made all sorts of claims and we disproved them and everyone was kept busy.
The AWB has now reached its final stages and it has become clear that the antis have not got what they wanted eg we are still here and shows are still legal. The result of this is what we are now seeing. Every show this year has been attacked. By this new anti campaign. Local councils, residents, media and venues are being swamped with anti reptile propaganda (lies) and councils and venue owners are beginning to panic and try and council up coming shows.
Going on past history this situation will become worse and more shows will run into problems. We will see more and more propaganda and bull from these people and we will lose more shows and clubs.
It is early days and I’m not sure what course this will all take but over the next few months, I suspect that this situation is going to become a major issue for all of us. The main thing is that we all understand that when these things happen it is not the fault of the show organisers and that they, the FBH and Chris Newman will be working madly in the back ground trying to solve the problems that have arisen. This may mean that they are too busy to get the information out to everyone as quick as we would like but I can assure you that they will be trying their best for all of us.
If any one is wanting to get angry about the situation, remember to get angry with the antis not the guys that are in the front line and taking all the flak on your behalf.

Gordon

i remember the gd old bad old days lol i still think we find one of there rally a boycott it in a big way make them feel the little ppl for a change it wasn't that long ago the only show in the area was the Norwich show which the date wasn't confirmed until a few dyas before then the ERAC had a bash same details and it worked then we got the shows to come back with miner problem now we have started to announce this show in advance it seem they are taking steps may be we should go bk to keeping it locked down until a few days before

still if someone know when and where there next rally is ill go and confront them f$$$$$g jobs worth c££ts

[eco_tonto]

is euthanasia an option for these people? It looks like the best solution to our problem

[karlos79]

comment left, just asking how much she gets paid! lol