Uk bred CORN snakes savings and payment scheme

[cornmorphs]

After recent discussions, We are pleased to announce our plan for a savings scheme for forum members to save and buy corns.
In this case, the 'we' is myself 'cornmorphs' (Nigel), paulc (paul chase), paul dougal and jenny (bloodcorn).
In the last few years, some of us have been asked on occasions if we would do a payment plan in order to sell corns.
We have been thinking about this for sometime now, and with the economy hitting people hard, it makes sense to go ahead with the idea.
The corns for sale will all belong to and be bred by the four people named above, ALL will be uk produced, and in all cases you should be able to see both parents.
Along with this, you will be able to choose a snake from a clutch, feed and shed sheets, weights where taken, and het details will all be provided.
Prices will of course will be competative and in a lot of cases as cheap as imports (when fees added).
The way it will work is simple.. we will provide a full list of what we are breeding. This will be as comprehensive as possible, showing what hatchlings we expect from each pairing, but will be updated nearer the time once the snakes start hatching.
So, WHAT do you have to do? well, pay a weekly or monthly amount which you will be able to spend on whichever corn snakes you wish from the list.
There is little risk (if the bank closes and the govenment refuse to pay out min of 50k as they have said, thats the only risk and thats not likely), to avoid too many extra bookings, we will take only 10 orders per clutch i.e if we had a clutch of lavenders we would not take orders for more than 10 snakes until we knew for certain how many there were in the clutch . If the snakes do not produce, you simply get all your money back, and the same if the clutch is a very small one and we cannot fullfill your requests.
Orders will be taken in the order they are received, so say 'person 1' orders 8 snakes, we will make sure this order is complete before moving to the next order.
Payments will go straight from your account to cornmorphs account via a transfer,postal order or cheque or even paypal, although you will be required to pay fees via this method which currently run around 3.4%. You will be updated with emails of confirmation of the amount we are holding each time there is a new payment made.
Most of the snakes here are from the biggest named breeders in the USA, so very good stock.
There will be the opportunity of delivery to all mainland areas in the UK, this will be done via one of the reptile delivery companies from this forum, or maybe those involved.
It is anticipated that each delivery would be no more than 30 pounds, whatever size the order.
There is only one clause in this, your 1st payment must be 25 pounds at least. This will count as a non refundable deposit (unless we cannot provide any of the required snakes), anymore than 25 pounds is returnable for the right circumstance.
ALL snakes sold come with the usual gaurentees, all snakes will be feeding on defrosted pinks and will have shed at least once, along with being in perfect health.
Please think carefully on this as once you have paid the deposit it will not be returned.
Make sure you read all of this twice to be certain you understand, we wish to help out people, but at the same time are not looking to be messed about.
All questions will be answered, as we are bound to have forgot some details.
This will run between the four people named above and the sellers, no one else, bank, rfuk or anyone else will be involved, all monies will be held by Nigel in a special set up account.
Thankyou for taking the time to read, and enjoy the list.

The list will be available over the weekend from all four breeders.

Nigel

[cornmorphs]

This is the cornmorphs expected list for 2009.
Males are in blue, females black. Each female listed will be mated with the male listed directly above it.

SULFUR
BUTTER MOTLEY
BUTTER
Expected offspring :- butter het bloodred motley

BUTTER STRIPE
NORMAL HET AMEL
expected offpring:- normals and amels
AMEL STRIPE HET CARAMEL
Expected offspring:- amel stripes and butter stripes
AMEL
Expected offpring :- amels het caramel stripe

BLOODRED, HET HYPO LAVENDER, STRIPE AND AMEL
AMEL STRIPE HET LAVENDER
Expected offspring:- amel, lavender and both as stripes, het blood poss het various
AMEL STRIPE POSS HET LAVENDER
Expected offspring:- amels, poss lavender, amel stripes, poss lavender stripes
BLOODRED HET HYPO LAVENDER
Expected offpring:- bloodred, plasma, hypo plasma, hypo blood
LAVENDER HET BLOODRED
Expected offspring:- lavender, bloodred and plasma

CINDER
HYPO MOTLEY
Expected offspring:- normals, het cinder hypo motley
AMEL STRIPE HET SNOW
Expected offsprong:- normal het amel cinder stripe
HYPO BLOODRED
Expected offspring:- normal het hypo cinder bloodred
LAVENDER
Expected offspring:- normal het cinder lavender
NORMAL HET HYPO CINDER
Expected offspring:- normal, cinder

NORMAL HET CINDER BLOODRED
NORMAL HET CINDER BLOODRED
Expected offspring:- normal, cinder, blood, and cinder blood (not made world wide we believe)
BLOODRED
Expected offspring:- normal, bloodred

SNOW STRIPE
SNOW STRIPE
Expected offspring:- snow stripes

AMBER MYSTERY.. HET LAVENDER, BLOODRED, STRIPE, CHARCOAL, AMEL OR ANERY
AMBER MYSTERY POSS HET THE SAME HETS AS MALE, BUT HET MOTLEY
Expected offspring:- there could be morphs here that have never been produced.. there could be 10 or more morphs in this clutch.

SUNKISSED
CARAMEL
Expected offspring:- normals, hey honey
OPAL HET ANERY
Expected offspring:- normal, het sunkissed, lavender and amel

BLIZZARD X 2 BLIZZARD X 2
Expected offsrping:- blizzards

GHOST STRIPE
GHOST STRIPE
Expected offsrping:- ghost stripes

AMEL STRIPE HET CARAMEL
NO PLANNED FEMALE

ANERY STRIPE POSS HET LAVA X 2
AMEL HET LAVA
Expected offspring:- could be all normals, depends if the males are het lava, if so then a few lava het snowmel stripe

CARAMEL SNOW
CARAMEL SNOW
Expected offspring:- caramel snow, these really are something different, and really not very white at all



THE FOLLOWING LIST, ARE WHAT PAUL CHASE IS AIMING TO PRODUCE FOR THE COMING SEASON.
mine part 1
normal-(ht lav/stripe/amel/hypo/anery) X Anery stripe-(ht amel/hypo)
=
anery stripes- ph lav/hypo/amel
anery- ht stripe ph lav/hypo/amel
normal- ht anery/stripe ph lav/hypo/amel
normal stripe- ht anery ph lav/hypo/amel
amel- ht anery/stripe ph lav/hypo
amel stripe- ht anery ph lav/hypo
snow- ht stripe ph lav/hypo
snow stripe- ph lav/hypo
ghost- ht stripe ph lav/amel
ghost stripe- ph lav/amel

normal-(ht lav/stripe/amel/hypo/anery) X lav (ht stripe)
=
Lav- ph stripe/amel/hypo/anery
lav stripe- ph amel/hypo/anery
normal- ht lav ph stripe/amel/hypo/anery
normal stripe- ht lav ph amel/hypo/anery

normal-(ht lav/stripe/amel/hypo/anery) X anery (ht lav/stripe/hypo)
I have 2 anery females so whats below X2
=
Lav ht anery ph stripe/amel/hypo
lav stripe ht anery ph hypo/amel
anery ph lav/stripe/amel/hypo
anery stripe ph lav/amel/hypo
anery lav ph amel/hypo/stripe
anery lav stripe ph amel/hypo
hypo lav ht anery ph stripe/amel
hypo lav stripe ht anery ph amel
normal ht anery ph lav/stripe/amel/hypo
normal stripe ht anery ph lav/amel/hypo

pewter (ht amel) (paul dougal's) X bloodred (ht amel)

bloodred ht charcoal ph amel
fire ht charcoal

amel (ht caramel/stripe) X amel (ht caramel/stripe)
I also have X2 of this breeding

butter ph stripe
butter stripe
amel ph caramel/stripe
amel stripe ph caramel
snow ph caramel/stripe
snow stripw ph caramel

part 2

amel (ht caramel/stripe) X amel stripe (ht caramel)

amel ht stripe ph caramel
amel stripe ph caramel
butter ht stripe
butter stripe

normal (ht lav/bloodred/anery) X normal (ht lav/bloodred/anery)

bloodred ph lav/anery
lav ph bloodred/anery
anery ph lav/bloodred
anery lav ph bloodred
lav bloodred ph anery
anery lav bloodred
anery bloodred ph lav

normal (ht lav/bloodred/anery) X normal (ht lav)

lav ph bloodred/anery
normal ph lav/anery/bloodred

butter motley X normal (no ht )

normals ht caramel/motley

butter motley X amel (ht caramel/motley)

amel ht caramel/motley
amel motley ht caramel
butter ht motley
butter motley

amel (ht caramel/stripe) X normal (caramel/stripe/hypo)

normal ht amel ph caramel/stripe/hypo
normal stripe ht amel ph caramel
amel ph caramel/stripe/hypo
amel stripe ph caramel/hypo
butter ph hypo/stripe
butter stripe ph hypo
caramel ht amel ph hypo/stripe
caramel stripe ht amel ph hypo

butter motley X amel motley

amel motley ht caramel

butter motley X amel (caramel)

butter ht motley
amel ht caramel/motley

amel (ht caramel/stripe) X amel

amels ph caramel/stripe

caramel bloodred (ht amel) X caramel (ht amel)

caramel ht bloodred
butter ht bloodred

creamsicle motley (ht caramel) X creamsicle motley (ht caramel)

creamsicle motley ph caramel
buttercream motley

creamsicle motley (ht caramel) X creamsicle (ht caramel/motley)

creamsicle ph caramel/motley
creamsicle motley ph caramel
buttercream ph motley
buttercream motley



THIS LIST IS WHAT JENNY ANS SHAUN DAVIS ARE AIMING TO PRODUCE FOR THE COMING SEASON.

This list is what Jenny Davis is planning on breeding..
2009 Pairings

? = if males are big enough

Butter Motley x Golddust het Motley
25% Butter het Motley
25% Golddust het Motley
25% Butter Motley
25% Golddust Motley

Sulfur x Butter Motley
100% Butter het Blood Motley

Cinder x Amel
100% het Amel Cinder

Hypo Sunkissed x Hypo Blood ?
100% Hypo het Sunkissed Blood

Hypo Blood het Lav x Blood het Hypo Lav
37.5% Blood het Hypo ph Lav
37.5% Hypo Blood ph Lav
12.5% Plasma het Hypo
12.5% Hypo Plasma

Hypo Blood het Lav x Lav het Blood
25% Normal het Hypo Plasma
25% Lav het Hypo Blood
25% Blood het Hypo Lav
25% Plasma het Hypo

Amber x Amber
100% Amber

Hypo Lav x Amber
100% Hypo het Caramel Lav

Hypo Lav x Hypo Lav
100% Hypo Lav

Fire x Fire
100% Fire

Butter Stripe x Amel Stripe het Caramel ?
50% Amel Stripe het Caramel
50% Butter Stripe

Amel Stripe x Amel Stripe
100% Amel Stripe

Blood het Snow Stripe x Blood het Snow Stripe
42.19% Blood ph Snow Stripe
14.06% Fire ph Anery Stripe
14.06% Granite ph Amel Stripe
14.06% Blood Stripe ph Snow
4.69% Fire Stripe ph Anery
4.69% Granite Stripe ph Amel
1.56% Snow Blood Stripe

Amel het Lava x Amel het Lava ?
75% Amel ph Lava
25% Lavamel

Pewter x Pewter
100% Pewter

Ultramel Anery x Snow
50% Snow
50% Ultramel Anery

Ultramel Anery x Snow het Motley
50% Snow ph Motley
50% Ultramel Anery ph Motley

Spare females

Abbott’s Okeetee
Hypo het Opal Motley
Caramel
Amel het Anery
We will add these females to partners at some point, whether that be Jennys males or any others available from the other guys

This is paul Dougals list, sorry MY FAULT.. took ma ages to work out how to open the email lol.

Hypo Motleys
Anery Motleys
Anery Stripes
Pewters
Charcoals het pewter
Fires het Charcoal (on Paul chases list I think)
Bloodreds het Charcoal ( on Paul chases list)
Amels poss het caramel/stripe
Amels
Bloodreds het hypo Lav – maybe
Lavenders het hypo Bloodred – maybe
Hypos het Lavender Blood – maybe
Plasmas – maybe
Phantoms – probably

[cornmorphs]

Please note, this is for next year only.. The current sales list I have (cornmorphs) at the moment is nothing to do with this one, there is no payment plan for those snakes.

[Paul_MTS]

Great idea.

To make sure I understood. The idea is that the customer has kind of a savings account with you for next years hatchlings?

So they start paying very soon and by the time the snakes are ready they will have saved enough in there snake fund account with you to pay for there desired hatchling.

[cornmorphs]

well we need to discuess the prices, but our plan is to be as cheap as we can and compete with the lower end of the market in the uk.
as a rough guide, without any rarer hets being taken into account, we are looking at maybe a tenner for normals, amels, anery, snows all under 20 quid, butters 30-35, lavs wont be more than 50.. those kind of prices.
they should be similar to the prices of the US market once the import costs have been taken into account, so in other words if a butter motley was $100, then with fees it may be $120, call that £65 or so, we would do it for maybe £60..
but we will need to have a chat.. i will say tho, you wont be disapointed in the prices, and for a small amount per week you really can get top end morphs too.
there should be plasma, lavender stripe, opal stripes, then maybe middle of the road stuff,butter motleys, pewter, various bloods..
there iwll also be some fantastic hets for projects, for instance het cinder z.. these could cost you a grand a pair last year, they wont do here.

[cornmorphs]

Ok, the thread has been tidied up a little.
You can now see the lists of cornmorphs, jenny bloodcorn and paul chase on the front page, paul dougals list is expected shortly (hes busy at work, so we'll give him time).
Where I have answered questions on prices, they will be adhered to..
so far we have a few that i have mentioned, but the full list will be there in the new year at the latest i reckon.

but a few ideas here after requests.

The price will not be MORE than these:-
butter motleys, £65
lavender stripe £250
lavender £50
butters £35
amels,anery and snows all no more than 20
normals a tenner
blizzards £40
thats just a few examples.. but you can gaurentee the prices will be very good for the buyer.

any with rarer hets may well be a touch more

[cornmorphs]

Originally Posted by Metal_face

the other night i went from thinking corns were coloured worms to absolutly loving them!!! lol if i can find the space i may well be interested in a pair of the higher end morphs for a breeding project

lol yeah a lot of people do the same. what morphs are you thinking? the higher end ones will be limited.

Originally Posted by amazonya

Im looking for a nice stripe to breed with my 08 anery stripe when she is ready. Would like something like a snow stripe or a caramel stripe (male) what kind of prices am i looking at? Will it be more for a caramel stripe than for a caramel?

well compaitibility wise, snow goes better with anery than caramel. you would get all anery stripes het snow, unless the anery was het amel in which case you would get a few snow stripes aswell.
caramel stripe to anery would give you stripes het for caramel and anery, so not a marvelous mix.
caramels now are very cheap, 20-40 quid, stripes, this years i have a couple of females under £100, i expect next years prices to be £80-85 for caramel stripes.
if you want a nice long term project, and it may be one i look into myself, go for caramel snow stripes.. i have caramel snows, and they really are something else.

[dingy]

A couple of questions Nige. What happens if I want to save but don't really know what I want, can I make my mind up next year? Does this scheme mean you will not have any snakies for the 'open' market next year?

How much for a female amel stripe het caramel?

[cornmorphs]

hi mate, yes you could happily pay here and there,set up an account and just choose snakes at a later date.
There will be, i anticipate, as many as 1000 hatchlings in this scheme, depending on how this goes really to if we all sell on the open market. my guess is, we probably still will.
amel stripe het caramel, i would think you will be looking as little as £40.
the prices will all be cheap, simply because as breeders we want to breed, buty to make the hobby pay for itself,so if we do things cheap, then we dont keep snakes for too long (getting them off the food bill so to speak) and you guys get bargains.
i would think, if someone was to spend a few thousand, we would create an extra financial incentive, extra free snakes, or a % off the total maybe.

[cornmorphs]

Originally Posted by eoghan

any chance shipping to n.ireland?

I do have a tnt account, i dont use it much but i dod get a call the other day and they confirmed I am able to use it as normal.
The last time i shipped to NI the cost was about £75, so i expect it may be more, but then again if you were to get higher end morphs, you may well save quite alot of money that end, or if you spent enough its possible the fee could be reduced.