2010 corn and royal savings scheme (major updates... 07 feb 2010)

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have redone the opening post from last year and changed/added info where applicable. If there are things still to ask then by all means ask away on here or by pm.

As a lot of you will know, last year between a group of Four of us did the corn snake savings scheme. This year I plan to do my own version, including a few royal pythons, of course you will still have access to the snakes the other guys are breeding but it will now all be done seperately by each person.
In the last few years, I had been asked on occasions if I would do a payment plan in order to sell corns, so last year we went for it as a group, and on the hole it was a success. Yes there were hickups, and I plan to do as much as I can to cut these out.
The corns for sale will all belong to and be bred by myself (Nigel Gooding), ALL will be uk produced, and in all cases you will be able to see both parents, and it some cases also siblings from previous years matings.

Along with this, you will be able to choose a snake from a clutch, feed and shed sheets, weights where taken, and het and possible het details will all be provided. This time I will not be doing seperate pictures for people to choose, but people can by all means choose in person on collection... but, now that I will be doing this myself Knowing me I will end up doing pictures, I just am not planning to. I will automatically choose the snake that I feel is the better one for each person in line, so 1st comers should get slightly better quality, but as most of you know, the quality will be very impressive anyway.
Prices will be competative and in a lot of cases cheaper than imports (when fees added).

The way it will work is simple.. I will provide a full list of what I am breeding. This will be as comprehensive as possible, showing what hatchlings I expect from each pairing, but will be updated nearer the time once the snakes start hatching.

So, WHAT do you have to do? well, pay a small deposit of £25 , and after this pay as and when you want or can afford to. You can pay in one go, or pay the rest on delivery/collection of your snakes. I would like to say There is no risk, and of course as far as I am concerned there isnt, especially after last year, but for the sake of one or two that will attempt to be kill joys for me I have to say there is obvious a small risk that I will let you down and run away with all your money. I dont plan to .
To avoid too many extra bookings, I will take only orders for each clutch that I feel may happen, i.e if I had a clutch of lavenders I would not take orders for more than 10 snakes until I knew for certain how many there were in the clutch, or if I was doing a pair of het normals then there may only be one snake of the planned morph, so I wont take orders for 5/6 in those cases.
If the snakes do not produce, you simply get all your money back, and the same if the clutch is a very small one and I cannot fullfill your requests.
Orders will be taken in the order they are received, each person who puts there name down for a certain morph will then have their name put next to that one in the order they requested it, there will be NO reservations without a deposit.
Payments will go straight from your account into my account via a bank transfer,postal order, cheque, cash or paypal, I will not be charging the 3.6% on paypal fees to the buyer, these will all be paid my end, at the same time when sending back deposits I will send back the amount I received, i.e if you send £25 I will recieve £23.80 ish, I will then send this back to you which you will be charged on, so you would receive £22.50 or so back. Anything on top of this, I will take the hit, so if you have paid everything then I will send you the whole lot back at the correct amount, in this case I will lose out big time on fees but you will not lose a penny.This obviously means I would prefer bank transfers. You will be updated with emails or pms of confirmation of the amount I am holding each time there is a new payment made.

Most of the corn snakes here are from some of the biggest named breeders in the USA, so very good stock, joe pierce, carol huddlestone (LBR), Vincent Ritchie, Lee abbott, Serpenco, the later being quite significant as Rich of serpenco is selling up now to retire, so dont be fooled into thinking you cannot find his line of corns, there will be many here... there will be other people I havent mentioned there too.
Most of my royals will be from Bob Clark, so obviously I cannot gaurentee where they were from initially but you will get the same deal as with the corns with regards to feeding etc.

There will be the opportunity of delivery to all mainland areas in the UK, this will be done via a licenced vehicle for animal carrying, so I can do this myself and my good friend Dave (ferrert1959 off the forum) will be involved.
The cost of delivery will be £30, no more no less, so if you feel that you will be better off collecting, then Northampton will be your collection point, OR I will attend a few of the major shows, Doncaster, Brentford, West Mids, maybe one other. I will also attend Houten for my european friends. ALL snakes will need to have been collected/delivered by the time the Houten show is done, this will be the 2nd week of October. By then your snakes will mostly be on fluffs and I will have lost a lot on feeding them, and you will be receiving snakes a lot bigger than the ones you thought you were getting, which is great for you but I have to think of things my end.

ALL snakes sold come with the usual gaurentees, all snakes will be feeding on defrosted pinks and will have shed at least once, along with being in perfect health.
Please think carefully on this as once you have paid the deposit it will not be returned, unless I do not produce ANY of the snakes requested, BUT as with this year I had a couple where people just took a snake at the price of £25 so therefor didnt lose out at all.

Make sure you read all of this twice to be certain you understand, I am happy to help out people, but at the same time are not looking to be messed about. You will receive feedback from myself if needed when you have the snakes.
All questions will be answered, as I are bound to have forgot some details here.
This will run between myself named above and the sellers, no one else, bank, rfuk or anyone else will be involved, all monies will be held by Nigel in a special set up account.
Thankyou for taking the time to read, and enjoy the list.

The list will be updated again in december as I have invested in a few male snakes to increase some of my chances of greater morphs in some clutches, this will be done in december as I do not know the size of the snakes I am getting, I presume they will be of breedable size but will update when I know.
Nigel



FULL LIST OF POTENTIAL CORNS
This list is worked out from all corns that are visual morphs, or have 100% hets, I will do a seperate one soon from the possible hets

Amber bloodred Poss het charcoal lavender amel £120
Amber poss het bloodred amel lavender charcoal £25
Amel stripe het anery £20
Amel stripe het bloodred poss het hypo charcoal lavender £25
Amel het bloodred stripe poss het charcoal hypo lavender £10
Amel het bloodred charcoal poss het hypo amel lavender £10
Amel het bloodred anery poss het hypo lavender stripe charcoal £10
Amel het caramel bloodred (sulfur) £10
Amel het caramel motley kastanie (butter kastanie/caramel mandarin) £30
Amel het cinder stripe poss het lavender £50
Amel het kastanie (mandarin) £20
Anery bloodred (granite) poss het lava £60
Anery caramel motley £60
Anery motley poss het lavender hypo £20
Anery poss het lava bloodred £15
Blizzard £30
Blizzard het bloodred poss het lavender hypo stripe (whiteout, plasma, opal etc) £35
Bloodred het amel caramel (sulfur) £45
Bloodred het anery poss het amel lavender stripe hypo charcoal £50
Bloodred het charcoal poss het hypo amel lavender stripe £50
Bloodred het hypo lavender £50
Bloodred poss het caramel sunkissed (blood honey) £45
Bloodred poss het hypo amel lavender stripe charcoal £50
Bloodred poss het hypo cinder £50
Butter het bloodred (sulfur)£25
Caramel bloodred poss het sunkissed £65
Caramel bloodred het amel poss het hypo (sulfur) £55
Caramel poss het sunkissed bloodred £20
Charcoal het bloodred poss het hypo amel lavender stripe (pewter, whiteout opal etc) £20
Cinder bloodred poss het hypo £750
Cinder poss het hypo bloodred £250
Fire het anery poss het lavender stripe charcoal hypo £55
Fire het caramel(sulfur) £55
Fire het charcoal poss het hypo lavender stripe £55
Ghost het motley bloodred £30
Ghost motley het bloodred £35
Hypo amel het bloodred charcoal poss het lavender stripe £20
Hypo amel het anery bloodred poss het lavender stripe charcoal £20
Hypo blizzard het bloodred poss het lavender stripe £40
Hypo bloodred poss het cinder £60
Hypo bloodred poss het anery motley (hypo granite) £60
Hypo bloodred poss het amel lavender stripe charcoal £70
Hypo bloodred het lavender (hypo plasma) £65
Hypo bloodred het anery poss het amel lavender stripe charcoal £60
Hypo bloodred motley poss het anery £150
Hypo bloodred het charcoal poss het fire stripe lavender £60
Hypo butter poss het lavender charcoal £40
Hypo cinder poss het bloodred £500
Hypo cinder bloodred £1000
Hypo fire het charcoal poss het lavender stripe £65
Hypo fire het anery poss het lavender stripe charcoal £65
Hypo granite motley £250
Hypo granite £195
Hypo lavender bloodred £160
Hypo motley poss het anery bloodred £25
Hypo pewter poss het lavender stripe amel £85
Hypo sulfur poss het lavender charcoal £120
Hypo whiteout poss het lavender stripe £175
Hypo het anery bloodred poss het amel stripe lavender charcoal £25
Hypo het bloodred charcoal poss het amel lavender stripe £25
Hypo poss het cinder bloodred £20
Hypo poss het anery motley bloodred (hypo granite) £20
Ice (lava anery) poss het bloodred £75
Ice bloodred (anery lava blood) £400
Lava bloodred poss het anery £250
Lava poss het anery bloodred £40
Lavender bloodred het hypo £100
Lavender stripe het amel bloodred poss het hypo charcoal £175
Lavender het amel bloodred stripe poss het charcoal hypo £40
Moonstone motley (anery lavender) poss het hypo £95
Normal stripe het amel bloodred poss het lavender charcoal hypo £20
Normal het amel kastanie (mandarin) £15
Normal het amel sunkissed poss het anery £10
Normal het anery bloodred poss het hypo amel lavender stripe charcoal £10
Normal het blood poss het hypo cinder £10
Normal het charcoal bloodred poss het hypo amel lavender stripe £10
Normal het hypo caramel stripe £10
Normal het lavender sunkissed amel charcoal £10
Normal het lavender sunkissed hypo motley £10
Normal het stripe bloodred amel poss het lavender charcoal hypo £10
Normal het sunkissed poss het amel anery £10
Normal het sunkissed poss het amel OR ultra £10
Normal Poss het cinder amel stripe poss het Lavender £50
Normal poss het hypo cinder bloodred £10
Normal poss het caramel bloodred sunkissed £10
Normal poss het anery lava bloodred (ice blood) £10
Opal stripe het bloodred poss het hypo charcoal £250
Opal het bloodred stripe poss het hypo charcoal £60
Pewter poss het amel stripe hypo lavender £60
Phantom het bloodred poss het lavender amel stripe £60
Snow stripe £30
Sulfur £100
Sulfur poss het hypo £105
Sunkissed amel (inferno) poss het anery £100
Sunkissed bloodred £150
Sunkissed caramel (honey) £125
Sunkissed caramel bloodred (honey blood) £250
Sunkissed poss het anery amel £25
Sunkissed poss het bloodred caramel £25
Ultramel het sunkissed £25
Ultramel sunkissed £100
Whiteout poss het hypo lavender stripe £150



These are POSSIBLE morphs that could be produced.. Now bare in mind these are from possible hets, and MOST of these are massive odds with prettyt much no chance, but there is still the tiniest chance..
some will happen, from this many poss hets some for sure will come out.
I will not be looking to take any money on these snakes, but I will put you on a list if you want to have a chance on these.
Sunkissed anery
Sunkissed snow
Bloodred stripe
Hypo pewter
Plasma stripe
Pewter stripe
Amel plasma
Hypo bloodred stripe
Whiteout stripe
Hypo plasma stripe
Lavender whiteout
Hypo pewter stripe
Hypo pewter lavender
Hypo opal bloodred
Pewter lavender stripe
Fire lavender stripe
Fire hypo stripe
Hypo lavender whiteout
Whiteout lavender stripe
Hypo pewter lavender stripe
Hypo opal bloodred stripe
Whiteout hypo stripe
Whiteout lavender stripe
Amel Cinder

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prices on corns i can do early new year, i will then know with pretty good certainty what will breed, royal wise i cant give out prices a year in advance as i simply dont know the market, but i can say i will match whatever the going uk rates are, or a bit under maybe.
some we are looking at:-
UPDATE 30 jan 2010
ROYALS LIKELY TO BE MATED NOW:-

1:- yellow belly pair.. witnessed locks now.
2:- albino female to genetic stripe, i didnt want to risk missing her altogether. The pied will have a go next season now.
3:- spider male to a normal, done one but there could be more.
4:- I have a pair of het pieds, these have been paired together, early february.
5:- Pastel female went in with the spider..
M

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This is the list of what I expected to mate at the beginning of the season, If you follow the posts you will see another list showing what I have actually done so far.

1...NORMAL HET CINDER, BLOODRED AND HYPO
FEMALE 1.. SAME
FEMALE 2.. BLOODRED HET HYPO.
GIVES:-
NORMALS £10, BLOODRED £50, CINDER £250, CINDER BLOODRED £750, HYPO £20, HYPO BLOODRED £60, HYPO CINDER £500, HYPO CINDER BLOODRED £1000.
Both paired up, blood is gravid, unsure of het female as yet

2...HYPO HET ANERY, BLOODRED AND MOTLEY (HYPO GRANITE MOTLEY)
FEMALE 1.. SAME
GIVES:-
HYPOS £20, HYPO BLOODRED £60, HYPO MOTLEY £25, GHOST £30, GHOST MOTLEY £35, HYPO BLOODRED MOTLEY £150, HYPO GRANITE MOTLEY £250, HYPO GRANITE £195.
female is gravid and has had pre lay shed

3.. ULTRA SUNKISSED
FEMALE 1.. NORMAL HET AMEL, SUNKISSED POSS HET ANERY.
GIVES:-
NORMALS £10, ULTRAMEL £25, SUNKISSED £25, ULTRAMEL SUNKISSED £100
Female seems gravid

4...HYPO LAVENDER BLOODRED (HYPO PLASMA)
FEMALE 1.. BLOODRED HET HYPO, AMEL, POSS HET CHARCOAL.
FEMALE 2.. BLOODRED HET HYPO AND LAVENDER
GIVES:-
BLOODRED £50, HYPO BLOODRED £65, HYPO LAVENDER BLOODRED £160, LAVENDER BLOODRED (PLASMA) £100.
unsure if any of these are gravid yet. I added an opal het anery too for this boy

5...SUNKISSED HET ANERY
FEMALE 1.. NORMAL HET AMEL, SUNKISSED POSS HET ANERY.
GIVES:-
NORMALS £10, SUNKISSED £25, SUNKISSED ANERY (IF ANY) £100.
female seems gravid

6... SUNKISSED AMEL
FEMALE 1, 2 AND 3.. NORMALS HET AMEL, SUNKISSED, POSS HET ANERY.
GIVES:-
NORMALS £10, AMELS £10, SUNKISSED £25, AMEL SUNKISSED (INFERNO) £100.
unsure at the moment

7... SUNKISSED LAVENDER
FEMALE 1.. BLIZZARD
FEMALE 2.. HYPO MOTLEY
GIVES:-
NORMALS MULTI HET SUNKISSED LAVENDER AMEL AND CHARCOAL £50
NORMALS HET SUNKISSED, LAVENDER, HYPO AND MOTLEY £35
unsure, can feel bumps sometimes, but will update

8... SNOW STRIPE
FEMALE 1.. SNOW STRIPE
FEMALE 2.. AMEL STRIPE HET ANERY.
GIVES:-
SNOW STRIPES £30
AMEL STRIPES HET ANERY £20
both females i can feel eggs in

9... ANERY CARAMEL MOTLEY
FEMALE 1.. SAME.
GIVES:-
ANERY CARAMEL MOTLEY £60
shes gravid

10... BLIZZARD
FEMALE 1.. SAME
GIVES:-
BLIZZARDS £30
shes gravid

11... NORMAL HET CARAMEL, BLOODRED AND SUNKISSED
FEMALE 1.. SAME
FEMALE 2.. NORMAL HET CARAMEL SUNKISSED (HONEY)
GIVES:-
NORMALS £10, CARAMEL £20, SUNKISSED £25, BLOODRED £45, CARAMEL SUNKISSED £125, CARAMEL BLOODRED £65, SUNKISSED BLOODRED £150, SUNKISSED CARAMEL BLOODRED £250.
the smaller female I will probably hold back a year, not sure if the other is gravid yet

12..NORMAL HET LAVA, ANERY AND BLOODRED (ICE BLOOD)
FEMALE 1.. SAME
FEMALE 2.. AMEL HET LAVA
GIVES:-
NORMALS £10, LAVA £40, ANERY £15, BLOODRED £45, ICE £75, LAVA BLOODRED £250, ICE BLOODRED £400, ANERY BLOODRED £60.
shes gravid for sure


13... BLOODRED HET HYPO, LAVENDER, STRIPE AND AMEL
FEMALE 1.. BLOODRED POSS HET HYPO, LAVENDER, STRIPE, CHARCOAL, AND AMEL.
FEMALE 2.. HYPO BLOODRED, POSS HET LAVENDER,STRIPE, CHARCOAL, AND AMEL.
FEMALE 3.. AMEL STRIPE HET LAVENDER.
FEMALE 4.. ANERY HET HYPO, AMEL AND BLOODRED
FEMALE 5.. CHARCOAL HET HYPO,AMEL AND BLOODRED.
GIVES:- JESUS LOL.. LOTS.
NORMALS £10, AMELS £10, LAVENDER £40, STRIPE £20, BLOODRED £50, THERE WILL BE TOO MNY COMBOS HERE FOR ME TO NAME THEM ALL, THE MOST EXPENSIVE WOULD BE HYPO LAVENDER BLOODRED AMEL STRIPE (LONG SHOT, BUT CALL IT £2000)
BLOODRED STRIPE £150, PLASMA STRIPE £400.
I CAN WORK THESE OUT AS I AM GOING.
females 3 and 5 gravid, unsure on others just yet


14... ANERY MOTLEY HET LAVENDER
FEMALE 1 AND 2... ANERY MOTLEY HET HYPO LAVENDER
GIVES:-
ANERY MOTLEY £25, LAVENDER ANERY MOTLEY (MOONSTONE MOTLEY) £95.
both gravid, although one went to a caramel anery motley by accident, so only one female producing moonstones

15... AMBER HET BLOODRED, AMEL, CHARCOAL ,AND POSS HET LAVENDER.
FEMALE 1.. SAME, (NOT YET PROVEN HET CHARCOAL THOUGH)
FEMALE 2.. NORMAL STRIPE POSS HET HYPO CARAMEL.
GIVES:-
NORMALS £15, AMBER £30, AMBER BLOODRED £95, HYPO BUTTER £75, THE REST, AS WITH THIS YEAR ARE SO WEIRD EVEN I DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, I WILL PRICE THEM SEPERATELY AS AND WHEN.
both seem gravid

16...AMEL, CARAMEL, BLOODRED (SULFUR)
FEMALE 1.. AMEL HET CARAMEL BLOODRED
FEMALE 2.. CARAMEL BLOODRED HET AMEL, POSS HET HYPO.
GIVES:-
AMELS £15, CARAMEL BLOODRED £65, BLOODRED £45, BUTTER £30, FIRE £55, SULFUR £100,.
both seem gravid

17... KASANTIE HET AMEL
FEMALE 1.. OPAL HET ANERY. (not doing now)
FEMALE 2.. BUTTER MOTLEY.
FEMALE 3. AMEL
GIVES:-
AMELS £45(FEMALE 1), AMELS £60 (FEMALE 2), AMELS £60 (FEMALE 3).
females 2 and 3 seem gravid


18...CINDER POSS HET AMEL AND HYPO
FEMALE 1.. HYPO UPPER KEYS, POSS HET ANERY AND CINDER (went back to her dad)
FEMALE 2.. AMEL STRIPE HET LAVENDER
GIVES:-
FEMALE 1, NORMALS £50, AMELS (IF ANY) £100, HYPO (IF ANY) £100, HYPO CINDER (IF ANY) £500
FEMALE 2, NORMAL £100, AMEL £125
female 2 doesnt seem gravid yet, other one went to something else

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ok, lets get a few pictures on then...
amel het blood and caramel (sulfur)


anery motley het lavender and hypo female.. she will go to a male anery motley het lavender.. should get a few moonstone motleys.


caramel bloodred, shes het amel and poss het hypo... should produce a few nice caramel bloods and sulfur this year I hope.


the cinder male then.. he should be ready this year, so with a little more luck than last year we may see a few clutches of eggs due to him being busy.


I have a trio of these, this is the male. hypo het anery, blood and motley.. so looking for a ghost blood motley maybe.


anery caramel motley, these are well sweet.


have a couple fo these, doubt they will breed though, so not listed yet.. but still, nice snakes.. hypo stripes poss het amel and lavender.

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bloodred female, shes stunning.. despite the small looking head shes 3 years old, and easily big enough to breed, not remotely fat or been power fed.
I'm hoping for a plasma stripe maybe...


ultra sunkissed male.. hes going to go to a couple of normal het inferno girls (thats amel sunkissed)... i'm looking for ultramel sunkissed from this pairing.


lovely pair of these snow stripes, they are amazing.. great striping and the colours are superb.


sulfur male, he mated with a few girls last year, and i have plans again.. hes stunning.


anery female, shes het blood, and i think hypo and amel too..
i'll be sticking her to a male to prove out all of those.

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a nice charcoal, she should be het blood, hypo and amel too, but again she will be put to a male to prove these.


male sunkissed het anery... he has a couple to go for this coming year.

was gonna leasve these out for a thread of all normals.. but they are just too sweet. so this guy is het blood, cinder and hypo..his exact partner is het cinder blood and poss het hypo until proven..
should be looking at this combo to produce cinder bloods.


hypo motley, shes lovely, got a little bit of saddling going on there, but shes on a diet, even though shes not fat.. she should be going to the sunkissed lavender that you will see shortly.


this should be a blizzard, if i have got the order wrong it could be opal but think its the bliz.. should have a litter of these this year again.

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female, normal stripe poss het hypo and caramel (amber)... not sure of her exact partner yet, but it will be something to prove out those hets anyway.


hypo plasma, he should produce me a few hypo plasma and plasma this year.


sunkissed lavender, bit of a mashed up face,


another female blood... lost of these this year, but this one is real quality


kastanie male, hes het amel.. got 3/4 lined up for him.

amel het lava girl.. may out her to my het lav anery blood..

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this is the female mystery amber.. shes het shed loads.


this is the other snow stripe.

another female blood, she was a dog last year, but got real pretty


amber male from the mystery line... hes got some sweet hets too..


hypo blood, hoping shes het stripe..


this is the reverse to the white snake posted a while back, so its opal.. or blizzard if i mixed them.


butter motley female.


messy amel stripe het lavender.. shes produced some amazing snakes over the years.

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last few for now...
male blood who is sure to be busy again..


and last for now... lovely amel stripe.


I also have a few others, and many normal looking snakes to produce nice morphs from het pairings.

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I will now make my last post all the time, show which snakes I am no longer taking orders on..

caramel sunkissed
ultramel sunkissed
bloodred sunkissed