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Old 13-05-2008, 02:41 PM
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found him yesterday evening but was too upset to post then. i just don't understand it because he seemed to be doing just fine.

i've had this baby candy cane only about two or three weeks and he's taken food no problem on every ocasion offered, except the day before he died (obviously this was worrying but he was active and acting normal and lets face, sometimes snakes don't eat when in shed ect.).

this is the first time i've lost a snake (barring the rough green that was delivered dead) and it wasn't a pretty sight. he was on his back, and seemed kind of....squashed (in a way). it is unlikely that he has injured himself because my youngsters have their rubs kitted out with cardboard hides and plastic coffee jar lids for water. the idea being they can get trapped as these are light and have easy give. all his temps were fine. (with summer on the way and weather being warmer i generally check temps alone 4+ times a day).

also, his stomach was green which (correct me if i'm wrong) points to his food having not being digested and passed correctly, although he has pooped while i've had him.

the last time i checked him he appeared completely fine, amusing himself burrowing into his substrate and poking his cute little nose out at me, plenty of tongue flicking ect.

the only health probs i've ever had with any of my snakes have been a royal with a respiratory infection, so with this information i'm hoping somebody may have an idea what happened to my little corn.

unfortunatly even my usual vets won't help put my mind at rest as to whether this is contagious or not as they say 'we have no one experienced enough with reptiles to perform a post mortem' (which really puts my faith in them for the future.

i'm completely gutted and paranoid that i've done something wrong to cause this
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Old 13-05-2008, 02:45 PM
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sometimes neonates just die...i'm always nervous with neonates... i prefer established animals... a baby could just be born with a defect that can't be detected.... like any animal including humans.... some just die... no ones fault... sorry about you losing it.
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Old 13-05-2008, 02:51 PM
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awwww im sorry to hear of your loss,its always so hard when one of these guys pass away.

are there no qualified herp vets around you that you could see?
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Old 13-05-2008, 02:52 PM
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Sorry to hear your news mate.I hate it when that happens especially in your case where they feed and act normally all the way through.I would assume there was nothing wrong with the temps etc but you could check them.I have had this problem a few times and as bad as it is sometimes it just happens for no apparent reason but still dont make you feel any better.

Please dont blame yourself for this.It is part of life and there is probably nothing you could have done to save the poor little one.
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is there no other vet that could perform a PM? if you have other snakes its a big risk not to get one done, unless you are 100% sure of what it died of.

with the stomache being green, i would imagine he has some sort of deformaty, or hasnt developed properly in his egg. however it could be a becteria, viral, or fungal infection but im not a vet, so couldnt tell you.
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Old 13-05-2008, 03:02 PM
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In my experience all dead snakes have a green/blackish blob in the belly. A dead snake, especially a hatchling will deteriorate very quickly in these temperatures and usually there isn't much to go on with a pm on such a small creature. These things happen unfortuneatley, I'm sorry for your loss
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In my experience all dead snakes have a green/blackish blob in the belly. A dead snake, especially a hatchling will deteriorate very quickly in these temperatures and usually there isn't much to go on with a pm on such a small creature. These things happen unfortuneatley, I'm sorry for your loss
Confirm.. the green is not abnormal, it is I believe the colour the liver goes as it is no longer cycling poisons out of the body as the blood flow as stopped, therefore on any small snake such as a corn you're going to see this turn green quite quickly after death.
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i now phoned several other vets in my area, but they all seem to have their rep specialists somewhere else in the blooming country (not all that far away but my cars just being scrapped as its old and dead and i have more important things to spend my money on like my snakes....and more snakes). going to keep trying though.

i'm not too worried over it spreading if it does happen to be contagious. i do have 17 other snakes but he was still in quarenteen in a completely seperate room as only had him a couple of weeks.

post mortem would really be to put my mind at ease on my husbandry. i pamper and fret and obssess over my animals constantly. it drives my gf insane that they get more attention than her.

i know all temps are spot on as with the whether getting warmer i religeously check temps at at least four points during the day.

thanks for the post about stomach normal turning green, i had this horrific image that id poisoned him or something.
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If it goes more than 24 hours you're very unlikely to get a conclusive PM, they can only do biopsies usually within the first 12-24 hours max. They can examine the organs, look for tumours etc. after this but won't be able to get a definite on any disease or pathogen.
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it's gone... i'd just march on... god knows i've had setbacks...i've killed many things out of ignorance (i have an alibi) you just try to glean whatever lessons you can from the experience and move on to bigger and better things.
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