INBREEDING - pedigree dogs exposed - similar?

[tricky]

well im half watching a program on bbc1 atm about inbreeding with pedigree dogs and how its causing them genetic problems
e.g. (dont quote me on specifics please lol) i think they said king charles spaniels are 50-60% likely to have heart murmurs by 5years old and almost all do by 9 or 10
theyve talked about various stuff including german shephards with terrible slopebacks, they cant walk very well
other health problems
and theyve shown example of how certain breeds have changed (pictures of certain dogs , 100 years ago and now) and its amazing really
god they are still showing loads of examples

you may have seen bits on tv and in paper on some of this

AND THE KENNEL CLUB ALLOWS IT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!! sister to brother, parent to child ........they even interviewed a judge that said hed bred grand parents to grand children

the more im half watching this program the more disgusting it all sounds


snake forum , isnt it?

well when i first started on snakes (amost a WHOLE year ago lol) i wondered about snake breeding and what do people do with regards to their owned gene pools
i wondered if people used forums etc to swap like for like snakes (e.g. from my yellowbelly royals ive now got an ivory which id like to breed from , would i come on here and ask to swap with an identical to avoid genetic problems or do you sell said baby and then buy soemone elses
it seems from what ive heard the norm would be to breed a youngster back to a parent
have read/ heard that its not so important with snakes
was told a short while ago(and have read) that maybe 1 generation inbred mix is ok

now recently theres been the odd mention about certain conditions and other things that may be leading to our snakes having less resistance to disease (there was other stuff i wanted to say there but cant remember now lol)


sorry if ive rambled,sorry if ive got some (or more) bits wrong (having a drink lol), just that i so far havent seen this sort of thing discussed here yet unless ive missed it

so.................. discuss lol

[stephenie191]

Already two threads on this, have a look - lots of people discusing

[candoia aspera]

that's why breeders love fresh gene pools, ultimatly snake breeders are always looking to make genetic morphs more stable.

disease is enevitable when you captivly hold a animals at a temperature where germs and bacteria can grow in almost optimum conditions. longer exposure to more bacteria would have an impact on a cative individual which is why we strive to keep them in the optimal conditions and as sterile envoroment as possible.

in other words we appear to be slightly wiser than these people.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by stephenie191

Already two threads on this, have a look - lots of people discusing

WHERE??? oh found one somewhere else. maybe im missing one in snake section? if so i apologise

if not............

well im asking about inbreeding in snakes but using that program as an excellent example (i think so anyway) .

sticks foot in mouth if wrong lol

[purplepants]

disscusion is in off topic chat

[Asha]

and in 'other pets & exotics'

[tricky]

Originally Posted by candoia aspera

that's why breeders love fresh gene pools, ultimatly snake breeders are always looking to make genetic morphs more stable.

disease is enevitable when you captivly hold a animals at a temperature where germs and bacteria can grow in almost optimum conditions. longer exposure to more bacteria would have an impact on a cative individual which is why we strive to keep them in the optimal conditions and as sterile envoroment as possible.

in other words we appear to be slightly wiser than these people.

breeders love fresh gene pools? so part of my question is (sorry maybe didnt word it right) , how do they refresh it? do people swap between friends? or sell than buy the same?

i uderstand that some inbreeding is neccesary to prove the morphs but does it happen generally anyway and could it be harming our hobby in the long run?

as per someone elses thread recently (to any moaners, no i dont have the patience to find the thread lol) : could the sterile envioments be part of the problem with regards to having less restant snakes?

[tricky]

Originally Posted by purplepants

disscusion is in off topic chat

ok ok im a bad man !!!!! lol

but im discussing snakes, not off topic i think.

just thought it worthy of discussion since ive not seen it discussed here b4 (about snakes) and have been wondering for a while now

[essexchondro]

I don't think reptiles are inbred to anything like the extent that pedigree dogs are. Those dogs are inbred to such an extent that breeders change (read deform) the actual physical shape of the animal! You don't get that with reptiles and any that are born/hatched with deformities are usually removed from the gene pool rather than being allowed to go on a breed themselves - not the case with pedigree dogs as this programme has just told us!

What we do with reptiles in terms of morph breeding is more like what a dog breeder would be doing if they were just breeding dogs to get a certain fur colour...but that's only a small part of it with pedigree dogs, isn't it.

Stuart

[dani11983]

I see your point how breeders of snakes sometimes use sibling and parent offspring crosses and the condensing of the captive gene pool that may result. Dog breeding though, has been going on for a lot longer from a very few individuals.

I suppose it could be likened to all lavender corns are descended from one original individual. That is why outbreeding is so important to make sure defects are avoided as far as possible.