to settle an argument - your views.

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Moreliaman

if you look at manufacturers instructions they all tell you that NO animal can burn its self when the matt is used correctly even without a stat !!

I would disagree with that even if the manufacturer's instructions say it can't happen - because used correctly, underneath a faunarium that does not contain too thick a layer of substrate, without regulation, they can and do exceed the safe basking temperatures of the sort of species that most people are likely to keep IN a faunarium (i.e. Corns, Kings and other "easy" snakes).

Whether that is hot enough to create actual BURNS is not the issue - if it causes the death of the snake because the snake will not go bask because the basking side is too hot and becomes too cold while trying to digest - causing multiple regurges - it is still because the mat was exceeding the temperature the snake needed to experience. I have spoken with one person who lost a snake for precisely that reason.

[bothrops]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Moreliaman

The Mat stat is a simple, economic thermostat, designed to be used with heat mats to a maximum of 100 watts.
Although heat mats can be used without thermostats, the cage temperature can fluctuate with the ambient temperature. Too hot outside and there is the likelihood of the vivarium overheating. With minimal additional cost it can be assured that overheating will not occur in hot weather.


Taken from this site: mattstat

also more info here

and here

I enjoy a debate as much as the next man, but at least make an effort! Those links are clearly cut and pasted from each other! I've no idea who wrote the first but it is clear that all of the 'authors' of those sites have cut and pasted the information from one of the others, clearly without a second thought as what it actually says!. I mean quoting an ebay sellers blurb? Come on now, you can do better than that!

Cheers

Andy

[The_Real_Moreliaman]

Sorry mate....But I suggest you put that argument to the manufacturer then.......ive never had problems with using some heatmatts with no stat, and ive never had any herp burn its self on a matt, if its too hot in the middle of the matt then the reptile tends to sit on the edge where its optimal heating temp is located (as im sure you know the temps will differ & reduce the further away you get from the centre of the matt).......yes im sure accidents can happen but an element of common sence has to be exercised when using them.

[The_Real_Moreliaman]

Originally Posted by bothrops

I enjoy a debate as much as the next man, but at least make an effort! Those links are clearly cut and pasted from each other! I've no idea who wrote the first but it is clear that all of the 'authors' of those sites have cut and pasted the information from one of the others, clearly without a second thought as what it actually says!. I mean quoting an ebay sellers blurb? Come on now, you can do better than that!

Cheers

Andy

Yes your right........they used the information from the manufacturers web site.....surely youre not suggesting the maker of the matt is wrong about the product they make and sell !!
If they gave out misleading or incorrect information I'm sure they'd have people wanting to sue them !

Im just glad the name callings gone and its returned to a healthy debate

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Moreliaman

Yes your right........they used the information from the manufacturers web site.....surely youre not suggesting the maker of the matt is wrong about the product they make and sell !!

Actually, their instructions are very carefully worded.... they suggest that if you have an animal with specific temperature requirements, you use a thermostat.

Funny, ALL the reptiles I keep have specific temperature requirements!

[elliot ness]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Moreliaman

Sorry mate....But I suggest you put that argument to the manufacturer then.......ive never had problems with using some heatmatts with no stat, and ive never had any herp burn its self on a matt, if its too hot in the middle of the matt then the reptile tends to sit on the edge where its optimal heating temp is located (as im sure you know the temps will differ & reduce the further away you get from the centre of the matt).......yes im sure accidents can happen but an element of common sence has to be exercised when using them.

If you actually do own any reps.....you go ahead and use a mat without a stat........when you eventually kill one of your "reps" don't come crying back here

[The_Real_Moreliaman]

Originally Posted by spit051261

If you actually do own any reps.....you go ahead and use a mat without a stat........when you eventually kill one of your "reps" don't come crying back here

Like id ask for advice from you....someone that handles pokies !!
Thanks but after 25yrs of reptile keeping id say i have enough experince not to ask info from you.

I suggest you turn your comp off and go looking for sparrows & starlings !

[C4VEMAN-5AM]

If after 25 years he hasnt had a problem with unstatted matts, surely thats proof

[Caz]

Originally Posted by C4VEMAN-5AM

If after 25 years he hasnt had a problem with unstatted matts, surely thats proof

It proof that he's been LUCKY, thats all. Plenty of unlucky snakes about each year...

[C4VEMAN-5AM]

Originally Posted by Caz

It proof that he's been LUCKY, thats all. Plenty of unlucky snakes about each year...

Yeah true, i mean ive recently got a stat cause i want to be certain nothing will happen.