to settle an argument - your views.

[kelboy]

IMO, if you can't afford to provide your animals with the correct equipment to live safely and in the correct environment, you can't afford the animals. It's all well and good saying you know how heat relates to your animals etc etc, but it only takes a matter of minutes for a mat to reach dangerous temperatures, or any heat source for that matter. Ssthisto's album is testament to that.

[macca 59]

Originally Posted by kelboy

IMO, if you can't afford to provide your animals with the correct equipment to live safely and in the correct environment, you can't afford the animals. It's all well and good saying you know how heat relates to your animals etc etc, but it only takes a matter of minutes for a mat to reach dangerous temperatures, or any heat source for that matter. Ssthisto's album is testament to that.

Hijacking oh's acc. totally agree, when we decided to get our first Royal, everything was priced up beforehand, viv, heatmat or ceramic, bulb guard, stat, hides etc. I know we would be very upset if any of our snakes were harmed through complacency, it is always better to be safe than sorry.

[elliot ness]

I really can't see the point in this thread.......it's not as if it is a matter of opinion or choice we have for a snakes welfare......stat.....or no stat.
There is absolutely no argument for not using a stat so what exactly are we talking about ?
Anybody that does not use a stat with any heat source is an idiot...end of
Paul

[kelboy]

Originally Posted by spit051261

I really can't see the point in this thread.......it's not as if it is a matter of opinion for a snakes welfare......stat.....or no stat.
There is absolutely no argument for not using a stat so what exactly are we talking about ?
Anybody that does not use a stat with any heat source is an idiot...end of
Paul

Agreed

[twinklu]

Rather have a happy snake with a stat for £30.00 than an unhappy snake and a vet bill for ££££.

[kelboy]

Originally Posted by twinklu

Rather have a happy snake with a stat for £30.00 than an unhappy snake and a vet bill for ££££.

Or even a dead snake

[loxocemus]

what youve killed is none of my concern, though if i remember it was particuarly stupid of you.

Originally Posted by ratboy

After a few years you learn that not having one is what's killing your animals you mean ?

[loxocemus]

only when i wear my psychic underpants,

after u build enough things, u learn what thickness of poly and thickness of build material, the air gap between a pad and surface, substrate choice and room temp, heat from additional sources like light tubes, choice of species, mass of specimens, type of hide, if it has a bottom, if so so how thick, what material, clay, plastic wood etc, u learn how all that goes together and how to make it work, beginners generally dont know this becuase they havent done it yet, i believe theres a term for it, oh yes "experience"

the easiest unstatted setup iv made consisted of a drawer system (ala the applemeister) with a glass heat panel in the drawer below which was a 20mm sealed gap, the heat strip ran all the way down the system and reached 88 constant, i only knew this worked becuase im a parnoid tweaker and i watch a thermometer readout for days before anything with a pulse goes near it.


experience is a very valuable tool, in learning as much from mistakes as successes.

ed

Originally Posted by butterfingersbimbo

So an "experienced" keeper can regulate the heat with the power of their mind?

[coral1]

dont agree with your comments my heatmats went up to over 102f without stat before putting snake in viv.never use a heatmat without stat i would recommend this advice to everyone just common sense, why take a chance with your snakes,i always er on the side of what might happen will happen.

[The_Real_Moreliaman]

Ive used heatmatts without stats before..in hot weather matts get turned off or put on a timer...never had snakes burn themselves, the snake regulates its own heat....if it gets too hot them it moves to a cooler part.
This all depends on the size of the viv, the amount of ventilation & the wattage of the matt.
I couldnt give a toss if someone thinks i should have a stat....my snakes are happy & healthy & thats all that matters to me.