I now hate RUBS (Really Useful Boxes)

[GothGirl]

I'm not doubting that rubs are not useful its when people hav nothing but a water bowl in them, and keep snakes in a RUB which is way too small for the snake.

[GothGirl]

Originally Posted by MJ75

You know damned well that some people put their need for a collection before the needs of an animal. They'll all be along soon to remind yu that snakes can be kept in a heated empty bog roll soon enough.

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They're already here ....

[Rain]

As it seems most racking is used for royals, look at it this way;
Royals spend 99% of their time crammed into the smallest burrows they can find. African trappers have to dig them out because they are so crammed in.
Now, we are basicly trying to replicate their enviroment in captivity. Whilst it would be possible to sculpt an entire burrow for them to live in, the RUBs make ideal artificial burrows.
Look at one of the pics you posted;

This snake has penty of space to move around, but the box is in a rack which allows light in from a single side. It is in and of itself a hide, the entire box is a replicated burrow.

Whilst I agree that some snakes need to be in more than "just" a RUB, others thrive in these fake burrows we provide them. Royals are so prone to showing stress by not feeding, and frankly, if they were stressed in RUBS then no one would use them because their snakes wouldnt survive in them.
Yes, vivs do look better to us, we enjoy seeing them in a nicely decorated vivarium. Subconsiously or not, we design vivariums to be pleasing to our eyes as well as suitable for the animal. If you take out the part that makes it pleasing to our eye, and just focus on it being suitable for the animal in question then vivariums would all have paper substrates a hide and a water bowl.

As ever, everyone is entitled to their opinions, so long as we accept ours is not the only valid one.

[kieran8143]

*yawn* another thread from goth girl talking utter rubbish! but hey i suppose thats what you get for using a public forum!

im sure you use rubs mind, and posted a few pics of your snakes in them..... but let me gues before you reply......... holding them until a viv is ready?

[White_raven666]

all my snakes have regular pshyciatric treatment.

When they are bored they tap on the RUB, and I have a game of scrabble with them they love it, but they insist on starting everyword with double s and we run out of s' really quickly. Sometimes I take them to the gym too. They love the treadmills, but really struggle with the cross-trainers.

I went to a reptile shop the other day and played scrabble with some snakes too and whilst playing they said to me " I want to come out, I havent stretchout for ages, I dont have a hide and my RUB is too small, I will eat, my temps are fine but Im soo bored and id love some excersie because the shop keeper doesnt get me out"

[Sid.lola]

You're concerned about the aesthetics? Personification of reptiles doesn't do them any good. Attempting to understand the world from their point of view does.

Basically:

Originally Posted by Rain

As it seems most racking is used for royals, look at it this way;
Royals spend 99% of their time crammed into the smallest burrows they can find. African trappers have to dig them out because they are so crammed in.
Now, we are basicly trying to replicate their enviroment in captivity. Whilst it would be possible to sculpt an entire burrow for them to live in, the RUBs make ideal artificial burrows.
Look at one of the pics you posted;
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This snake has penty of space to move around, but the box is in a rack which allows light in from a single side. It is in and of itself a hide, the entire box is a replicated burrow.

Whilst I agree that some snakes need to be in more than "just" a RUB, others thrive in these fake burrows we provide them. Royals are so prone to showing stress by not feeding, and frankly, if they were stressed in RUBS then no one would use them because their snakes wouldnt survive in them.
Yes, vivs do look better to us, we enjoy seeing them in a nicely decorated vivarium. Subconsiously or not, we design vivariums to be pleasing to our eyes as well as suitable for the animal. If you take out the part that makes it pleasing to our eye, and just focus on it being suitable for the animal in question then vivariums would all have paper substrates a hide and a water bowl.

As ever, everyone is entitled to their opinions, so long as we accept ours is not the only valid one.

What Rain said.

[ChloEllie]

u dont get the whole picture but u get the jist.

[GothGirl]

Rain, this I could deal with, it has some space though no hides are provded, which wouldn't hurt....
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This imo is out of order.....



And most of these aren't royals, and not a hide in site, again big snake small box.

[AmyW]

I don't mind keeping a snake in a RUB. As long as it is adequate size and hides etc.
Some snakes (from what I have read) do appear to thrive in RUBs.
I have 2 baby snakes in RUB s presently.

I do prefer viv set-ups as they are more pleasing on my eye. But does thus said animal really care?

If you have a problem with unnatural set-ups (whether viv or rub or glass)then why keep reptiles at all?
A wooden vivarium is still far from natural.

As long as all basic needs are met, the animal is healthy, eating well, defecating and breeding then I don't see how they could be 'unhappy'.

It is personal prefernce at the end of the day. I prefer Vivs in my front room as they look nicer but my set-ups for my snakes upstairs aren't as elaborate but they still have their needs met.


Also are you sure you are really allowed to use other peoples pictures and sort of 'slate' them? Most of them clearly have been tagged with their names.
Just in case someone takes the use of their pics in the wrong way. I am not sure on the legalities though.

[April Taylor]

i think the pics you have shown in the first post look fine, like a lot of people have state - rain most elequantly - they act as a hide in racking systems
I have never used a rub, normally use faunaruims and then vivs, but I am getting a carpet python soon, and faunariuns don't allow for much height, so I have just purchased my first rub.
going to kit it out as I would any other, but to return to what seems to be bugging you, I keep my royal in a viv, she is fine in it, but when she is in a little tub whilst I clean, she is also perfectly happy. Seems to me that this is bugging you, not the snake