Granite Motley?

[cornmorphs]

lol.. nah i have just gone well over the top christy.. i cant afford what i have bought really..
but i am happy its happening.

[toyah]

Originally Posted by Athravan

Seems like a fairly simple mix so just wondering why we don't see more of them around? I know it's a triple trait but there are things like snow and ghost motley which is a triple trait and pretty common these days. Is it just that they're not that popular?

The problem is that it can be very difficult to prove a snake as a blood motley or a blood stripe - normal stripes and normal motleys can be indistinguishable as hatchlings from blood stripes and blood motleys, no foolproof way to tell them apart.

(for the rest of this post, for "blood" read any blood morph - granite, pewter, fire, etc)

The best thing to do is to mate as planned, and in the F2 keep the offspring that look like they could be motley-blood. You'd then need to test mate them to known bloodreds, and if a clutch is all bloodred you know that your motley is indeed a motley-blood.

For continuing on from there, I would go with mating the motley-bloods to other bloodreds - NOT to other motleys. If you continue only to mate to other bloods then you can tell with certainty that any motley patterned offspring are definitely bloodred based, while if you mate out to non-bloodred based, in the F2 you're always looking at the problem of "is this motley blood or just a nice motley?"

It might be worth finding a striped bloodred. Mating that to a motley would produce motley het blood in the first generation, and you could then mate the offspring back to the parent to produce striped bloods, motley bloods, stripes, and motleys. Yes, you've still got the same blood vs. het blood problem, but statistically you've got more motley-bloods then you would if you were just mating carriers to carriers (1 in 4 instead of 1 in 16).

[cornmorphs]

yeah thats it.. its not an easy one, thats why its good to buy from a good source.

[Athravan]

My head boggled when I tried to think about mating the ghost motley with blood red and then the offspring together.. as I'd have a combination of hypo, anery, blood and motley.. and I suppose at birth it's not that easy to tell them apart so yeah, I'd have to keep them all back and prove them out.

[cornmorphs]

nah, only the poss bloods and the motleys.. and then you can sell them as poss blood, but you wul dhave to sell them for less

[Athravan]

Originally Posted by cornmorphs

nah, only the poss bloods and the motleys.. and then you can sell them as poss blood, but you wul dhave to sell them for less

So what else are you getting that'll make me jealous

[toyah]

Originally Posted by Athravan

My head boggled when I tried to think about mating the ghost motley with blood red and then the offspring together.. as I'd have a combination of hypo, anery, blood and motley.. and I suppose at birth it's not that easy to tell them apart so yeah, I'd have to keep them all back and prove them out.

You'd just be keeping back anything with a plain belly, motley looking pattern on the top, and reduced pattern on the sides. They could be plain motleys, they could be motley bloods ... be nice to work it out ;-)