shocked

[rantasam]

Might sound harsh but although it must have been very shocking at the time, I don't see why the supplier should be informed at all. I accept that rodents are bred, live their short lives and then are killed in order for me to enjoy keeping captive snakes. Had they been killed inhumainly then I would have an issue, but I really see no issues with quickly killing a pregnant mouse or one which is giving birth. Any other view is just sentimentality in my eyes, maybe just me.

[SelinaRealm]

Ive heard about pinkies poping out exbreeders before, never experience it my self though and not heard how you describe as mid giving birth...that is horrible...I know it was gonna die anyway, but that just sounds cruel...

I would defo say to the pet shop to mention it to the supplier, the same as other people have mentioned too....

I would be well shocked too....

[carpy]

yea thats why i wanted peoples views. i think to kill any animal mid birth is wrong and im pretty sure there is some sort of animal wlefare law against it. anyway, good to hear your opinions!

[NBLADE]

Originally Posted by rantasam

Might sound harsh but although it must have been very shocking at the time, I don't see why the supplier should be informed at all. I accept that rodents are bred, live their short lives and then are killed in order for me to enjoy keeping captive snakes. Had they been killed inhumainly then I would have an issue, but I really see no issues with quickly killing a pregnant mouse or one which is giving birth. Any other view is just sentimentality in my eyes, maybe just me.

i agree that i wouldn't contact the supplier, it may have been put into a gas chamber then started giving birth before the gas was started, as long as it died humanely i don't have a problem with it,

[SelinaRealm]

Originally Posted by rantasam

Might sound harsh but although it must have been very unexpected at the time, I don't see why the supplier should be informed at all. I accept that rodents are bred, live their short lives and then are killed in order for me to enjoy keeping captive snakes. Had they been killed inhumainly then I would have an issue, but I really see no issues with quickly killing a pregnant mouse or one which is giving birth. Any other view is just sentimentality in my eyes, maybe just me.

Yup, just you....

No but seriously, I think we all accept it in different ways. I am a big softy with things like that, but that is me and not saying you are wrong either.

I deal with it as in it is nature, the snake has to eat what it eats or it will die. I know it was killed humainly just the same as the other mice bred for food are, but I just feel bad as it must have been mid contraction etc.. if it was giving birth at the time.

My OH says I am too soft and have too much empathy....

[carpy]

Originally Posted by NBLADE

i agree that i wouldn't contact the supplier, it may have been put into a gas chamber then started giving birth before the gas was started, as long as it died humanely i don't have a problem with it,

yea but if you say an average mouse litter is around 8 (i think its more - someone can correct me though) that means alot of babies would have had to have been born beforehand - and they dont come out so quickly that 2 come out between the time that they are put in the gas area and the gas is turned on. and without going into too much detail, the mouse was shall we say open wide. cant believe im saying this lol - dilated so it must have been if not mid birth then literally just before it. the pinkies were sufficiently far down to pop out very quickly when constricted

Alex

[NBLADE]

Originally Posted by carpy

yea but if you say an average mouse litter is around 8 (i think its more - someone can correct me though) that means alot of babies would have had to have been born beforehand - and they dont come out so quickly that 2 come out between the time that they are put in the gas area and the gas is turned on. and without going into too much detail, the mouse was shall we say open wide. cant believe im saying this lol - dilated so it must have been if not mid birth then literally just before it. the pinkies were sufficiently far down to pop out very quickly when constricted

Alex

it could have been just about to give birth before it was put in the chamber then, as a litter of 5 isn't that uncommon for certain females,
so she could have been just put in the chamber with many others, and gassed without anyone realising she was just about to give birth

[carpy]

whatever the situation it was quite clear that she was heavily pregnant or would have been when she was alive as it was when she was defrosted (when frozen it looked like she coulda just been warped like normal)

the fact that there was dried blood around the nether regions when frozen means it must have been obvious when alive

whatever i am going to tell the petshop - see what they think