T's and pet shop licence

[carisma02uk]

hello everyone,

well, after a little discussion with my council i am after some clarification on a little query i have with the licence..

i know that t's belong to the family Theraphosidae but they are in my mind still a spider, not a true spider but i spider non the less??

the council have listed on their licence list that spiders and inverts are allowed to be kept excluding t's and scorps..

imo both t's and scorps are invets and fall under this order?

any one clear this one up for me?


thanks

Jon

[Rex_Grrrr]

it seems daft to be able to keep spiders and other inverts but not tarantulas. Does that mean they are going to let you keep black widows, funnelwebs, recluse spiders etc. but not a rose hair tarantula??

[Lucifus]

I didnt think there was limits on how many t's can be kept.

T's are arachnids and are a family of spiders so anything classed as an invert or spider it would cover the t's.

[Chris Newman]

Originally Posted by carisma02uk

hello everyone,

well, after a little discussion with my council i am after some clarification on a little query i have with the licence..

i know that t's belong to the family Theraphosidae but they are in my mind still a spider, not a true spider but i spider non the less??

the council have listed on their licence list that spiders and inverts are allowed to be kept excluding t's and scorps..

imo both t's and scorps are invets and fall under this order?

any one clear this one up for me?


thanks

Jon

The Pet Animals Act 1951 relates to vertebrate animals only, all invertebrates such are spiders scorpions etc are, well, invertebrates and not covered by the Act. Any Local Authority that applies conditions to a pet shop licence in respect of invertebrates is acting ultra varies [outside of the law] in respect of the Pet Animals Act.

[purejurrasic]

Chris beat me to it

currently, NO inverts are subject to PSL or transport auths.

Tell your councils EHO to learn the job before trying to lay down the law.

[Becky]

Unless they're DWA

[purejurrasic]

Originally Posted by Becky

Unless they're DWA

Being DWA dont bring them under the scope of PSL, only the DWA which is a different matter.

But maybe I missunderstood you and your saying that inverts could be regulated if DWA? in which case i agree

[Chris Newman]

Originally Posted by purejurrasic

Being DWA dont bring them under the scope of PSL, only the DWA which is a different matter.

But maybe I missunderstood you and your saying that inverts could be regulated if DWA? in which case i agree

A PSL exempts you from the DWAA, in respect of ‘vertebrate’ animals. DWAA only applies to non-commercial activities, therefore is not applicable to a petshop. How holding a PSL would affect the sale of ‘invertebrate’ scheduled on the DWAA is unclear. I suspect a Judicial Review would be required to give a definitive answer!

[Athravan]

I can confirm from experience that inverts do NOT fall under the PSL.

My shop was open for dry goods before my license fully came through. I was specifically told that I could sell invertebrates - including livefood and tarantulas/scorpions without my license, but that I would have to wait for the PSL to be issued to sell vertebrates.

I don't think that individual councils have the authority to change this fact and say that you can't sell T's without them on the license.

[Lucifus]

If i remember correctly Spider and invert shows which sell Inverts are allowed to run because of the loophole in the law.