Cross Breed

[enlightenment]

I wonder if it is possible to cross breed T's or scorps?

Probably not, but why not..?

Especially two from the same part of the world.

If a man from Africa could have a child with a women from Norway, why can (eg), a Cobalt not breed with a Thai Black, given that they are both T's, in the end.

Someone must have tried this, at some point in their life.. (shrugs)

[Ssthisto]

It might be something to do with the fact that a human being from Africa is Homo sapiens ... and so is a human being from Norway. We're all the same species.

However, a Cobalt Blue is Haplopelma lividum and a Thai black is Haplopelma minax - two different species, though they are the same genus. They MIGHT be interbreedable ... or they might not. Not all animals in the same genus can be interbred to produce fertile, viable offspring - and the further from being the same species you get, the less likely you are to get viable offspring.

[Ste]

as far as i no you cant interbreed them, apparently they just sort of no when its not the same speicies/type and so will just fight instead of breed.

[SiUK]

yes it can be done, but unlike with snakes it is very frowned upon amongst the tarantula keeping community

[fundo]

Originally Posted by SiUK

yes it can be done, but unlike with snakes it is very frowned upon amongst the tarantula keeping community

same goes for poison dart frogs

[spider_mad]

Anyone who cross breeds or attempts to cross breeds ts very quickly becomes well known and a bad reputation Snakes morphs is one thing but breeding 2 spiders even of the same genus ie, Avicularia or Poecilotheria can ruin 2 species and any resulting offspring aswell. This is why Avics and Pokies are so hard to ID as so many have been hybridised and ruined the gene pool. A word of advice is dont attempe it as not only is it highly frowned upon but just makes it worse for the ever increasing breeds and losing them. These days it is hard to come across a genuine B vagan (mexican red rump/black velve) cos they have been so many crossed with them that they never look the same and compared to what I had 7 years back looks totally different thanks to idiots who decided to use a B albopilosum. There is debate about wether certain Brachys are hybridised and hybridised in the wild and some state they are completely different spiders but thats another story.

[Incubuss]

I have seen cross bred scorps and I think it is a VERY bad idea, all most all scors and T's don't mix well with their own kind, never mind a totally different species. I personally wouldn't be interested in trying to cross T's or scorps. If peopel start crossing different species then where does it end? Before you know it their will be some idiot trying to cross a Mexican redknee T with a fat yellowtail scorp; they are both arachnids after all. (sorry, maybe I went a little over the top, lol)

[enlightenment]

Just for the record, can I just say that I was not planning on attempting this!

And yet, it does raise some interesting points.

1) Those that have said it would be a bad idea. What about dogs? ALL pedigree dogs have originated from cross/inter breeding, I myself have an English Bull Terrier, and that, as with all pedigrees, came about as a result of selective, and careful cross breeding, done over a period of time.

2) Need the act of cross breeding nesc see the elimination or extinction of the original two species..? Take my dog example. The Labradoodle is now recognised by the KC (UK), and yet I do not see a shortage of either Lab's or Poodles...

3) Again (and I am playing Devils Advocate here), for those that think it is unethical, and that the breeds should be kept pure, if that arguement were applied to humans, we would all be termed as racist, would we not? For example, if I said that white people should only breed with other white people, I would be seen as a 'white supremacist', if you follow the logic..

Discuss...

[enlightenment]

Tsk, I was going to add something else, then it went out my head.

Old age.

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

1) Those that have said it would be a bad idea. What about dogs? ALL pedigree dogs have originated from cross/inter breeding, I myself have an English Bull Terrier, and that, as with all pedigrees, came about as a result of selective, and careful cross breeding, done over a period of time.

Again, dogs are all the same subspecies - Canis lupus familiaris.

2) Need the act of cross breeding nesc see the elimination or extinction of the original two species..? Take my dog example. The Labradoodle is now recognised by the KC (UK), and yet I do not see a shortage of either Lab's or Poodles...

Just had a quick look through the UK-KC website. "Labradoodles" are not a recognised breed. They cannot be registered.

They have not been bred consistently and true to a defined standard type for a minimum of three generations; this is what's required to become a breed. Most "labradoodles" are in fact first-generation lab/poodle crosses.

They've always made me laugh, too. If you want a dog with a curly, tight, nonshedding coat, of medium to large size, trainable and amenable, with a lot of heart and family inclined... there's a breed that matches exactly and IS registered, is bred true to type and is consistent. A standard poodle.

3) Again (and I am playing Devils Advocate here), for those that think it is unethical, and that the breeds should be kept pure, if that arguement were applied to humans, we would all be termed as racist, would we not? For example, if I said that white people should only breed with other white people, I would be seen as a 'white supremacist', if you follow the logic..

Except that your logic is not quite...accurate.

What you're saying is not "OF course we should allow people from Norway to have children with people from Nigeria" ... what you're actually saying is the equivalent of "We should allow people from Cincinnati to have children with people who are Chimpanzees!" Now, if that IS what you're trying to say, that's fine.

The simple fact remains that they are different species, not just different breeds or "morphs" of the same species.