leiurus quinquestriatus vivarium designed for 2?

[Muze]

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

That size is extremely too large, even for massive adults, plus the height could be an issue unless your are planning to fill it with a lot of sand which gives an security issue, what type of lid are you planning on using for the tank?

Seperate territories sounds like a good idea as long as you have a solid divider down the middle that cannot be dug under or clambered over.

Any rocks/stones in a burrowing species tank need to be firmly secured to the bottom or sides of the tank for safety and any caves need to be secured together and also secured to the bottom or sides of the tank also.

You keep two in an undivided tank you will best case scenario end up with one fat scorpion, worst case two dead scorpions.

Your flippancy over the DWA aspect of these scorpions makes me think you don't currently have a license nor would you be granted one, they are extremely dangerous animals, exceptionally quick to anger and very fast to strike if annoyed.

Did I miss anything?

Yes...saying im not a troll babe lmao

[Young_Gun]

Originally Posted by Muze

Yes...saying im not a troll babe lmao

Your not a troll, your an ogre

[Muze]

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Your not a troll, your an ogre

Ahh thankies

[Muze]

Now waits for OP to flame someone with years of experience...as they did with me...

[hermenaught]

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

That size is extremely too large, even for massive adults, plus the height could be an issue unless your are planning to fill it with a lot of sand which gives an security issue, what type of lid are you planning on using for the tank?

The tank is 18" tall and will be double lidded. Inner lid will be cut to fit perspex with a slidding door feeding hole, outer lid will be glass. This will leave 16 or 17". 6" of sand. There will eb some sandstone in the vivarium but none will be closer than 6 or 7" fromthe inner roof.

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Seperate territories sounds like a good idea as long as you have a solid divider down the middle that cannot be dug under or clambered over.

yea for sure, if i was trying to seperate them, but really i was asking whether it was possible not to.

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Any rocks/stones in a burrowing species tank need to be firmly secured to the bottom or sides of the tank for safety and any caves need to be secured together and also secured to the bottom or sides of the tank also.

Defo

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

You keep two in an undivided tank you will best case scenario end up with one fat scorpion, worst case two dead scorpions.

You definately not this first to have this opinion about this species, but i have also been told otherwise. I have read somewhere on a forum that it is not the case if the tank is large enough. Today went to a store and took some advice there. According to the guy at the store it is possible that it would pan out as you suggest, but also that it might not. He thought the idea of a temorary divider was good and might improve chances of them both settling down. Other advice was to start with two equally sized critters and also that maybe start with three and let nature take its course, leaving the two equally matched ones.

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Your flippancy over the DWA aspect of these scorpions makes me think you don't currently have a license nor would you be granted one, they are extremely dangerous animals, exceptionally quick to anger and very fast to strike if annoyed.

It it not flippant to ask people to mind there own business in this issue and just stick to the question. While i am sure you are used to idiots and trolls, there is also a great deal of snobbery going on and i am just trying to get some straight advice. Some people seem to feel the need to preserve the right to own one of these creatures because it is part of their overblown self importance. I am applying for a licence and getting insurance, thats teh environemental agencies issue, i am not about to get myself stung, thats my issue, and i am asking for advice on quite another point of the animals behaviour.... taht is the issue for those here, who by dint of their presence, are supposed to be part of a knowledge sharing community. I made further enquiries today, and though the council seemed initially pretty clueless, there should be, as far as i can tell, absolutely no problem getting a liecence.

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Did I miss anything?

I think you probably missed out looking at this thread from my perspective. Its not exaclty a friendly introduction. In fact, its filled with pre-concieved ideas, snobbish attitudes and snippy comments. Not to mention actual verbal abuse.

Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Seems I did, heat mats under tanks for invertebrates is a bad idea, they burrow to escape heat, your comments about them burrowing to get heat is partially correct, but they do this when the surface temperature has dropped to an unacceptable level, with using a heatmat underneath the tank, the scorpion will have nowhere to escape to from the heat and could potentially cook to death, also, heat mats inside any animals tank is an extremely bad behaviour both for the health of the animal and the safety of your home.

I am leaning toward agreeing with you here. Although i would never cook the scorp cos i would test the whoel hting as i said before. The pet store guy used similar method but heat the stone with a lamp..... this seems like a good plan to me. I think i have underestimated the strength of the heat mats. Also... there seem to be ecramic versions... i will look into that too.

All the same though... thatnks for your input.

[hermenaught]

Originally Posted by AshMashMash

Erm excuse me?!

It was a simple question, no, for SCOTLAND I don't know how much liability and vets fees are, it was a simple question. What the hell reason was there to get so arsey!?

And, for your information, 99% of all my 25,000 posts are in off topic, because funnily enough you come into the proper sections like these and people are talking about real life issues and getting arsey over small things.

So I'll ask you again: In Scotland, where you live, out of interest, how much are liability insurance and vets fees?

Sorry, i thought you were being snippy, as your first reply seemed like a joke and this type of insurance does not vary by geographical area. The insurance is about £140. I have to be regestered with a vet, i havnt looked into fees.

[AshMashMash]

Originally Posted by hermenaught

Sorry, i thought you were being snippy, as your first reply seemed like a joke and this type of insurance does not vary by geographical area. The insurance is about £140. I have to be regestered with a vet, i havnt looked into fees.

I was being slightly snippy, but only in a jokey way. My advice to you is to stop being so OTT about things if you want to get along with people on this forum (which, despite what you might say, you do. As you requested info/opinions).

And thanks, aye. The vets fees are what I can't seem to work out what they are! Otherwise, it's quite cheap for a DWA round here too...

[hermenaught]

Originally Posted by Josh-sama

Sorry to correct you Abi.

Trolls are actually someone who posts comments specifically to cause an arguement.

To the OP: The way you've come across is as if you have no idea about the species you wish to keepm and come across as a complete arsehole. Shape up mate, otherwise you won't get any help.

"Arsehole" lol ...... hypocrite, by just speaking like that. I use forums on other subjects and have never, ever encountered such a shambles of pretentious nonsense in my life.

I will get help or i wont. If you dont want to give advice, dont, surely you have something more interesting to be commenting on?

[Moonleh]

Cmon guys, do you have nothing better to do?

Lets actually offer some advice...

If I were you I'd partition that in to 3 vivs, that way you can house 3 seperate specimens. Also, I'm not really sure L.Q's are the best thing for the space, they're not the most interesting species in the world. If you've got a DWA you may as well get some interesting species like Babycurus or Tityus, both of which are communal (you could perhaps partition in to two and have a colony of each, that'd be cool).

And regarding the heat mats underneith thing, I've been keeping them for years, and spent the majority of that time preaching the same "don't do it" crap, but in reality scorpions are much better for maintaining their body temperature than you give them credit for. So long as the mat covers no more than 45% of the underneith of the viv then there won't be a problem with thermoregulation.

Dan

[hermenaught]

Originally Posted by Moonleh

Cmon guys, do you have nothing better to do?

Lets actually offer some advice...

Much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Moonleh

If I were you I'd partition that in to 3 vivs, that way you can house 3 seperate specimens. Also, I'm not really sure L.Q's are the best thing for the space, they're not the most interesting species in the world. If you've got a DWA you may as well get some interesting species like Babycurus or Tityus, both of which are communal (you could perhaps partition in to two and have a colony of each, that'd be cool).

hmmmmmmmmm I like that idea. I hadn't looked at Tityus before, there seems to be a few... do you mean Tityus serrulatus? .... please excuse my ignorance. I did mention in another post that i am open to suggestions about final dicision on species and have detailed - very honestly - the qualities i find attractive. That jaksoni is a fine looking beasty. I like the idea of having a communal species as obviously it means more behaviour to observe ...... would have to way up the drawbacks of course like babies and trying to avoid stings while cleaning etc If they are an active species then its definitely an option.... your the second person i have heard say that LQ's are not that exciting. Its a major drawback if they just hide all the time but i dont know if it is the most common experience of the species. I have also been told that one specimen of any species can be super shy while another can be "a total psycho".

I suppose having just two critters in the space is a bit wasteful. Its not optimum utilisation for sure, but I think they are best off with about 12" by 12" territory, is that right? I cant remember where i got that figure from.

Originally Posted by Moonleh

And regarding the heat mats underneith thing, I've been keeping them for years, and spent the majority of that time preaching the same "don't do it" crap, but in reality scorpions are much better for maintaining their body temperature than you give them credit for. So long as the mat covers no more than 45% of the underneith of the viv then there won't be a problem with thermoregulation.
Dan

Well, I was going to put it under a hollow stone in the middle of a 3 foot tank, so i didnt expect it to be an issue. Its just a way of approaching a 'problem'. Im quite into design so the whole project of creating a realistic artificial environment and developing safe systems for handling the potentially dangerous creature all fun for me. Cant wait to get my chunk of sandstone and start carving my little critters cliff Once i have the viv constructed i will fully test various solutions.

Thanks for your input.