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PLEASE NOTE :

As a result of contact today with Kent County Council Trading Standards Dept, and Animal health, we feel it is important that all our passengers are reminded as to what animals they are permitted to bring back into the UK.

Each passenger is responsible for ensuring their purchases conform with current legislation. Whilst we will give any assistance and advice we can, ultimate responsibility lays with each passenger.

Animals purchased in the EU for your personal collection can be legally imported into the UK subject to CITES rules.

These rules state, briefly, that if the species you are buying is on Annex A or Appendix 1, the seller must supply you with a current original copy of an Article 10 certificate.

If the species is Annex B or Appendix 2, you must obtain from the seller a receipt that clearly shows who sold the animal, how much for and that it is captive bred and not taken from the wild.

Apart from a few species, Annex C & D or Appendix 3 & 4 do not have any special requirements, but we as organisers suggest you get receipts for ALL livestock, and that ALL livestock is labelled with the correct Latin name.

For some reason, Animal Health have advised Kent Trading Standards that Primates may be imported via our trip.

This may be as a result of sour grapes, or indeed some underhanded scheme.

ONLY REPTILES, AMPHIBIANS AND INVERTS ARE PERMITTED ON THE COACH.

We are in contact with Both Animal Health and Trading Standards, who are both happy with our plans. We have also agreed to work fully with them to stop illegal imports via our trips. Anyone found breaking these rules will be removed from the coach and reported.

There is a high probability that we will be stopped on the way back, and therefore ask all passengers to adhere to our rules, complete the species list correctly (will be handed out on the coach) and observe any other rules. This will ensure a swift passage through customs.

Please be assured, if the rules are kept to, you will have no problems bringing your animals back. Only if you break the rules will there be problems, and two coach loads of people who wont be to happy with you!




Further information can be found at the following links :

http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml List of restricted species

http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/transport/rp3.shtml Transport guides

http://www.ukcites.gov.uk/intro/default.htm CITES website.
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To the readership here, as you can see PJ has stated what animals can be brought back through via the coach.

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"For some reason, Animal Health have advised Kent Trading Standards that Primates may be imported via our trip."

Should not be acted upon by those not travelling via normal transport.

Primates are a quarantinable species from outside UK, and if you are caught with this species, the penalties are huge, and far reaching.

All primates entering the UK must be brought in by licenced quarantine vehicles, or met from the ferry by licenced quarantine vehicles.

All primates would also need to be accompanied by paperwork and cites documents, for most of the primates in EU are under cites.

So do not even be tempted on/in this one.

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Were does it tell you whats on sites and apendix on the above site's stressing i'm going to get somthing and i should have paper work. I can'nt seem to find it?
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Were does it tell you whats on sites and apendix on the above site's stressing i'm going to get somthing and i should have paper work. I can'nt seem to find it?
Introduction - CITES Species

Scroll down to the bottom where it says publications
its in pdf


or there is this one
Welcome to CITES
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Were does it tell you whats on sites and apendix on the above site's stressing i'm going to get somthing and i should have paper work. I can'nt seem to find it?

the first link takes you directly to the species list, just scroll down to find the reptile etc.

Pm t-barn with the latin and he will check for you
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the first link takes you directly to the species list, just scroll down to find the reptile etc.

Pm t-barn with the latin and he will check for you
Thanks had a quick browse think i might be ok if get stuck i will do.
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I have just got two emails from AH , diff depts.

The first confirms our view on import requirements regarding CITES

The second confirms our view on animal transportation.

Just waiting on the quranteen team and HMCE to reply, and we already know what the reply will be, but to have it in writing is great.

AS with the whole hobby, dont suffer from apathy, look into the species your wanting to get, know the laws and stick to them, no one can do anything about it if your not breaking the rules.

With regards to our little green striped back snake in the grass, if we need any advice in breaking rules we shall ask as you and your org seem to know all about it.
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It has come to our ntention that one of our passengers intends to buy loads of snakes to sell to a rather well known and dislikes pet shop in essex, (w,,,,s), and going to pack them in sacks to save space and squeeze them in his allocated boxes,

THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Al boxes have to be checked prior to loading and you need to fill an inventry form in for customs

ANYONE FOUND BREAKING THE RULES WILL BE LEFT IN GERMANY

Transportation of Animals
1. The transport of animals on the coach is covered by our SVS animal transport licence.
2. We will NOT cover animals obtained for resell, or for 3rd party collection where a collection fee is payable in any way.
3. Any animals covered under the above are deemed as a commercial activity and as such are due to have VAT, and other such fees, paid upon the return to the UK. We will not provide any assistance in this matter save to ensure other passengers are not effected or delayed.
4. Any charges raised by HMC are the responsibility of the animal owners.
5. Passengers are advised to get receipts for ALL livestock, and to make sure they have all the cities paperwork needed for any livestock purchased.
6. The organisers will not be held responsible for any seizures by customs for any reason.
7. In order to cover any animals as above, we will request an inventory form be completed showing the contents of any boxes you lay claim to. This will assist the whole coach in the case of inquiry from customs
8. Passengers are responsible for packing their boxes securely to avoid death or damage to their livestock and the organisers will not be held responsible for any damage or deaths that occur for any reason. All livestock should be clearly and accuratley labled with Latin names to aid identification.
9. No DWA species may be carried unless the owner provides a copy of their DWA licence, in advance, all other paperwork is in order, the animal(s) are securely contained and travel on the lower deck with the organisers.
10. This is a reptile, amphibian and insect hobbyist show trip, and as such we will not permitt the carriage of any species other than reptile, amphibian or insect under ANY circumstances. Any passenger found to be breaching this rule WILL be reported and full assistance provided to the authorities involved

Sorry if there is a lotof shouting in this thread but it pi@@es me off that some one is willing to put everyone else in jeapardy to make a few quid!!
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sorry if its been covered in the thread but what are the laws on bringing in rodents? I dont mean on the coach just in general
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All i can tell you is what I know, which is not not much!

i understand that domestcated rodents can be brought through customs ok.
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