Do You Ever Feel Guilty - Page 2

SiUK · #11 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by animalsbeebee

I wonder if you asked prisoners the same question,your warm,you have a roof over your head,no worries,whether they would agree,

you like many people are confusing animals and humans, animals do not have human emotions its easy to do, but you need to realise that they are far from us when it comes to thinking and emotions.

Miranda · #12 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Athravan

You cannot compare sentient beings with animals. Perhaps if you offered someone in a third world country who has lived in fear of civil war, rape, beatings, abuse, starvation, disease... whether they would like to live in a compound where they had everything they needed, perhaps they would take it for that safety and security... and that is humans we are talking about!

You cannot compare animals to humans. CB animals do not know any different. They act on instinct. If the instincts are fulfilled they are content. If the environment is correct, if there is food, if their urges are fulfilled, what difference does it make?

What are you arguments then that snakes are not happy in captivity and would be happier being dumped into a world they know nothing of, where they have no fight or survival instincts because they've been brought up in captivity?

How would you feel if someone picked you up, dumped you into the rainforest and said - hunt for your own food, find your own water, find your own safe place to sleep, there will be things trying to kill you, chase you, you will never be safe again.. good luck surviving. Would you say, yes please.. release me?

Another briliant post form christie.

Siman · #13 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by animalsbeebee

I wonder if you asked prisoners the same question,your warm,you have a roof over your head,no worries,whether they would agree,

You've obviously never been to jail.

Most of the people who i know who have been are constantly doing things to get back in because life's easy there.

As a rule most people want an easy life, if they thought that everything could be done for them (food cooked, house cleaned etc) they would take it. Its no different really.

animalsbeebee · #14 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:24 PM

It does not matter what reasons you give to justify your actions,is it right,i cannot believe none of you ever have a pang of guilt if you do not now i can guarantee you will one day.

SiUK · #15 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by animalsbeebee

It does not matter what reasons you give to justify your actions,is it right,i cannot believe none of you ever have a pang of guilt if you do not now i can guarantee you will one day.

you come on a reptile forum and start making comments that are verging on anti so your not going to get the responce your looking for, I see no reason to feel guilty if the animal is in an appropriate enclosure given space and everything it needs, but explaining that to someone that is against it isnt going to happen.

Jamie · #16 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:29 PM

The only time I feel guilty is when I pop a locust in to one of my spider tanks and it wanders straight towards the spiders burrow.......!!

Then a few seconds later I realise its just the circle of life!!

carlo69 · #17 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:29 PM

hi i would love to be dumped in the rain forest anyone offering that lifestyle for me ready and willing to accept, and prison is a bad place to be ,not a fun place having your liberty taken from you is never good . and just because an animal doesn't turn round and say i want to be free doesn't mean it doesn't .I keep reptiles myself but i still see that a valid point is being made by animalsbeebee and however pig headed you want to be about it the best place for anything is the place from where it originates naturally

Siman · #18 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by carlo69

hi i would love to be dumped in the rain forest anyone offering that lifestyle for me ready and willing to accept, and prison is a bad place to be ,not a fun place having your liberty taken from you is never good . and just because an animal doesn't turn round and say i want to be free doesn't mean it doesn't .I keep reptiles myself but i still see that a valid point is being made by animalsbeebee and however pig headed you want to be about it the best place for anything is the place from where it originates naturally

I highly doubt you would actually love that life, you think you would, perhaps only to prove a point but i doubt you ACTUALLY would.

You say thats the "best place" for it, but how do you honestly know? Is the best place for a human who has to endure famine, illness and other things found in third world countries the place they originate from?

Hamish · #19 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by carlo69

hi i would love to be dumped in the rain forest anyone offering that lifestyle for me ready and willing to accept, and prison is a bad place to be ,not a fun place having your liberty taken from you is never good . and just because an animal doesn't turn round and say i want to be free doesn't mean it doesn't .I keep reptiles myself but i still see that a valid point is being made by animalsbeebee and however pig headed you want to be about it the best place for anything is the place from where it originates naturally

does that include all domesticated animals and humans on the run from dictators or war torn countries?
is your answer to release all animals and tell people to sod off and go home?
i see a flaw in your quote!

p.s. if what you say is truley how you feel then you should not be a hypocrite and stop keeping pets, it would give you peace of mind i am sure.

Molly75 · #20 (**permalink**) 13-06-2008, 08:40 PM

I think its easy to humanise reptiles but i would say all herpers will do the best they can for their reptiles. To give a few examples I have balls which will not feed in a fair sized tub but will eat happily in a smaller tub each week.

If humanising we would say oh its too small but the snake does not think so and is happy to eat there CB reptiles have little fear and example is a corn being dumped on my step around a flower pot 4 people came to my door and only the 4th noticed and picked him up and took him in.

I have wild 25 year old pythons who have spent thier lives with me and I beleive its us knowing our reptiles needs which keeps them happy and healthy.

p xx

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