i think i might be being very naive in the comment im about to make and im sure ill get jumped on but im gunna say it anyway and this isnt sayin all your points arent valid but people take dogs out for walks in parks who are just as much risk as a snake, a large dog could bite of harm a member of the public so why is everyone drawing on this about the snake? each to their own i suppose, i often think about takin my bosc monitor out when hes big enough, obviously with the correct carrier/harness etc. why is it more socially acceptable to take a dog out for a walk in public but not a snake? it might enjoy the scenery and fresh air! so long as you dont let it go off on its own accord, take hand gel if neccesary and you're not just doin it to look " good" with a snake round ya neck" i dont see the harm in it

arent you open to the same legal action if your dog harmed a member of the public? im assuming so as dogs are no longer licensed

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We need to accept that large snakes and probably large lizards are not socially "acceptable" by the vast majority of people and therefore are probably going to attract negative attention when taken out in public. I totally agree with reptiles getting fresh air and proper sunshine, but does this have to be in a public place? I would question the motives of the OP taking a large Burm' to a public park. Personally I don't agree with parading large reptiles around in public. It's not good for the hobby and I would suspect it doesn't have any positive effect on the animal, especially since we haven't had any days where the outside temperature and humidity would be adequate to keep a Burm' comfortable for anything more than a few minutes. If it's part of an organised, controlled educational display where the snakes have adequately heated vivs to be put into after only being out for a short time then fair enough, but why would you want to drape a Burm' or any other large snake round your shoulders and go out in public if not for the "look at me" factor?

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we have had some days that have been hot enough lately havent we? so much so that 2 snakes, who were out on an educational day overheated and died, theres a whole thread about it. though i do understand the humidity part of your comment as this wouldnt be easily controlled

If no one ever sees them they will never become socially acceptable. i totally agree with you about the looks factor, but some people genuinly like to take their pets everywhere, be it a dog, cat, hedgehog, burm or beardie. I dont think it brings negative reactions back to the hobby providing the animal is under control and is being seen to be in possesion of an experienced keeper.

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Other than to impress, shock or boost ego what possible reason would there be to place one self in this predicament ?
Exposing a snake to this sort of uncontrolled environment is hazardous to say the least.

I exhibit exotic animals for a living and the amount of control measures, insurance and red tape needed is a nightmare !
Bear in mind that in doing such exhibitions/shows etc, members of the public are given a choice to attend/view such, this can not be the case when suddenly confronted in a public place unannounced !
In today's mad law suit world you might find yourself at the wrong end of lawyer.
There are also several infringements of the law to take into account not to mention licences for the transportation of such exotic animals.
This is a mine Field people !
Whilst I am sure that the original posters intentions were completely well intended there really is no need to take any snake or environmentally sensitive animal out for a day trip !
It only takes one bad move or unfortunate event to fuel the bad reputation reptiles have

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To be fair it is more likely for people to have a fear of snakes than dogs and generally people who have a fear of dogs will to some extent avoid areas with dogs, especially loose dogs in.

Dogs are a domesticated species that people train, and should be well behaved within a public area, obviously there are many people who do not train their dogs and accidents such as bites can happen, however even if you know your snake well there could always be something that stirs it up into performing a negative behaviour, it may not even be something bad really but to someone who knows nothing about snakes or their behaviour it could cause you problems.

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Exactly what he said.

Unless I'm mistaken, we haven't had any days where the outside temperature would be high enough to kill a snake through overheating. I haven't read the thread but my initial thought would be that the snakes were exposed to increased temperatures such as vivs in direct sunlight or in a car. However, that's an academic point as I maintain that it isn't beneficial to the snake or the hobby to be draped around the owners shoulders and taken into public areas where the reactions of the public cannot be guaranteed. The only person I see as "benefitting" from this is the owner and their ego

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Im afraid it is allowed . most people who take their snakes to things such as these galas have permission. as a rule you shouldnt have a problem taking your snake anywhere public but you will often find oposition to it im afraid.

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Agreed, also the educational stalls Ive been involved with before have always paid near constant attention to the danger of animals overheating, the animals welfare should be the number one priority.

hey, im not sayin its totally right to do this im just gently arguing the other side of the coin so we can have a fresh healthy debate and maybe i can learn something. i can just see the other side where someone might want to take their pet out for a walk, all be it what pet it is.

and the 2 snakes that died, they might have been in transit but im pretty sure they werent in direct sunlight.

when transporting reps we do all we can to keep them cool around this time, even out of direct sunlight and without heat packs in the car lately, the snakes have still been maintaining a good temperature. and imo when out of their normal habitat/viv reps, id rather keep reps cooler than warmer, cos its easy to warm a rep up but damn hard to cool it down, and it makes them more docile in transit so i think is less stressful for them, though i am straying from the topic somewhat now

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