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24-12-2006, 06:24 PM
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Venomous herp trading
Just a little poll.
In the actual herpetoculture trading we can see more and more people who buys venomous herps like giant spiders,venomous snakes, poisons arrow frogs.And many of this animals are often bought by irresponsible guys.Some of this guys are sometimes in the total illegality because they doesn't have safe setups or more simply they totally inept for coping with this animals. In your opinions: Should venomous herps trading must be banned? Or do you think that there is an alternative solution to this great issue in herps keeping domain 
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24-12-2006, 06:30 PM
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No venomous trading should not be banned, it wouldnt stop even if it was, it would just punish those who already keep hots legally.
The new DWA alterations are set to include a clause about sellers having to see a DWA license before selling venomous or face being prosecuted. I believe this will improve the situation somewhat. Other than that people just have to be vigilant about reporting those who keeps hots without a license I dont think much more should be done. Can I ask if you have seen hots being kept illegally yourself? I have never found it to be a problem in the UK in all honesty.
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24-12-2006, 06:31 PM
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poison arrow frogs are not the same as venomous, no need for dwa licence etc as the toxins come from the wild diets(from what i understand) and there is no danger or death
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27-12-2006, 12:40 AM
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I don't think it should be banned, just more controlled.
As long as people have a license to keep them, that should be enough. Trouble is when dealers turn a blind eye, and sell them to anyone just for the cash. As in most businesses, you will get good people and bad people. Moreover, banning fire arms and drugs, didn't make them diminish in the hands of people who want to have them, so the same would probably happen with venomous snakes, etc.
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27-12-2006, 12:58 PM
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I personally think that the trade in venemous reptiles should be embraced and more openly accepted.
The more in public view it is the better we will be able to control it. Yes, there are people who keep venemous illegally but we are talking about a minority and in some cases i can understand why (ie the licenscing farce) but i do NOT agree with it in anyway. As the hobby grows more and more people will go into venemous snakes. In my opinion this is something we need to sort out and fast. Certain species like the mangrove (B.dendrophila) are on the schedule and i know people get a DWA license just to keep this one species, so what happens when someone has the license for this species and then gets something truly dangerous but isn't really able to keep the species properly with minimum risk? For me the answer is to have a rethink on the DWA completely, assigning different species to different categories so if you have an animal in cat A then you have to upgrade your license for a cat B and so on. This would mean something like a King cobra would be on the top level, well away from those who want to keep a mangrove. Also it should be a legal requirement for buyers to have a DWAL, as it stands now as a private individual i can sell to anyone i want without legally needing to see the license (businesses are different). I have firm views on how i would like to see the whole hobby go, i just don't know how it would get implemented or how deep i would go. One thought would be to make ALL reptiles accountable, just on different levels so as mentioned before something like a King cobra is on the top level with something like a corn on the bottom. Maybe have some form of time restriction on the licensing so you have only have certain species when you have so much experience? It could get very deep and confusing but would IMO help clarify in the long run.
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27-12-2006, 03:21 PM
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Well I'm just throwing ideas to make the license harder to get and prevent cowboys from getting hold of them.
Maybe it should be a requirement for a person to keep venomous snakes that they should have a degree in biology, herpetology or veterinary. It's very likely that people who deeply studied about these animals, will be responsible keepers. Judging by the spelling of most members of this forum, I can assure you it would put off most of the people. By the looks of it most couldn't be bothered to attend a school let alone an Uni 
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27-12-2006, 07:02 PM
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What about those (like myself) who have none qualifications worth anything above the GCSE level but are more than capable of keeping venemous?
The problem with basing it against paper quals is that reptile keeping isn't a paper exercise, it is very much a physical thing. Not an easy subject is it!!
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Well I have said my piece so I will leave you in peace.
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