There has been a lot on this site about the sickness and death of a large number of imported captive farmed animals. The question is should we buy cf or wc animals or not, does the reduced prices and new genetic possibilities justify the risks? So what do you think and why

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It's also great amounts of income for poor countries, livelihoods of farmers, hunters, trackers and their families in areas that there is very little in the way of good employment. It removes reptiles from areas in which they would be considered pests by overpopulation, would be killed, used for the skinning or food trade, or simply tossed aside as pests.

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theres too many variables for it to just be right or wrong I recon I voted right but really it should depend on the snake, enviroment,situation ect

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They all came from the wild originally and some species are unobtainable as CB.

In an ideal world I'd say YES.

I'd like to see people stopping the wholesale import of animals like royals of which there are LOTS of people out there breeding them. But not for the likes of certain WC species which people need to start working with more to produce more CB sock, the likes of red-tailed racers for example.

I personally think that everything at one point obvs has to start as WC and aslong as proper quarantine, worming etc is done then fair enough. When it comes to WC/CF royals etc (the common breeds) i strongly disagree with it. If you want an animal save and get a CB. If you want it that bad the saving will be worth it. I was actually discussing this with a friend the other day and although there are a lot of people who do take proper precautions when bringing in WC/CF there are also people who see it as a cheaper quicker option and don't inforce quarantine etc... putting not only there collection but possibly other people collections at risk (through buying selling etc).

Basically some people see the pound signs and see it as a way to make a quick quid. There are people who are new to the hobby and unfortunitly don't take the time to learn the risks and the do's and don'ts of the reptile world. It's only a matter of time until someones collection is hit by something nasty.

Not looking for an arguement it's just how i feel about the subject and it's not something i would ever do. Would rather wait for the CB stuff to come along.

Lisa

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Ok this is a very touchy subject but i'll put my views across.

Importing WC and CF I do not see has a problem because it brings in new strains of blood lines and more possible genetic traits to expand even more morphs. But its not the case of should it be stopped its the case of the care and treatment that goes into the animals.
The farmer collects these animals from the wild to send to the importer which there fore makes money for the farmer and his family. The importer then sells the CF/WC to other people which they then sell on at a later date. I see where you are coming from with the whole problems but if the importer and the sellers actually took time to rehabilitate the animals be it leopard geckos to royals and alot of others.
The thing that gets me with it is when people want a quick turn over and don't put the animals first the importer imports the reptiles and sells straight away due to not having time and space to care equally for the reptiles therefore makes their lifes easier. But how ever that is not defending the importer because they are sending out possibley ill reptiles left untreated causes a dead reptile. It is a shame that the importer doesn't take time to care for the reptiles only a handful do.

But going onto the third person which would be the person the importer sold to. Say for instance it goes in 4 steps Farmer to the importer then importer to the retailer then the retailer to the customers. The retailer should look after the reptiles until they are fit and healthy. Say for instance a Retailer orders 100+ CF Royals from the importer then sells them straight away to make a quick buck then theres 100+ royals out there which haven't been treated and havent been given the time which they need Please bare in mind this goes on more than you think with other reptiles as well.

So now a customer has bought a royal python from the retailer which hasn't been treated or been gave a second of the retailers time. This royal starts getting ill ( which is one downside but not because its WC or CF this is lack of care and husbandry from the retailer ) then we have a dead Royal on our hands and a very upset person.


So all in all its not bad to import reptiles WC or CF whats bad is the fact that the RETAILER doesn't give the animals the time they need just wanting to make a quick buck. So yes its good to bring in WC or CF if the people who import them and the retailers actually take their own time to make sure they are 100% fit and healthy to resell to the public market.



** Disclaimer **
This is not an attack to anyone just my opinions on importing WC and CF reptiles.

Why should it be the retailer that has to look after the reptiles, why not the importer?

The retailer should make sure that all animals are fit and healthy before sale therefore makes it the retailer who should do it. The importer brings in the reptiles for the retailers therefore the retailers purchase the reptiles from the importer.

Fair enough the Importer should do it and i'd say only an handful do but they wholesale in large numbers therefore don't have the time to do so but when say a retailer only has 100 instead of the importer having 1000 the retailer only has a small number to sort out. Im not defending the importer it just seems more logical that the retailer who sells to the public should sort out the problems.

I would very much doubt that the people sent out to catch WC receive much in the way of income compared to the final profit made on such animals.

CF is comparible to puppy farming, a few people make an awful lot of money regardless of the conditions the animals are kept in.

But, when there are people willing to buy CF there will be someone willing to get them regardless of the implications.

How come there's no quarentine laws for such snakes anyway?

Just my personal views

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To be fair it's just like the grey imoprts market and cheap knock off's you can readily get these days.

Unfortunately we are all at some point guilty of getting stung by spending cheap and ending up with a dud. The major downside in the pet trade is that you'd expect some sort of ethics to apply, we (me n the missus) bought a kitten from a local pet shop that after several visits to the vets was diagnosed with fiv, we went back to the shop and we got the shrugged shoulders routine and we didn't have a leg to stand on, we foolishly expected the vendor to at least say sorry and let the rest of the people who's bought from that litter that their kittens probably had fiv.

CF and WC will happen for economic and gene pool reasons but I feel there should be a more traceable paper trail, hell if we can get that for the burgers we buy and eat why not the animals we have in our homes ?

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