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2 Male Water Dragons
1 Male Berber Skink
1 Male Golden Retriever
2 Male Tabbies (One half Bengal)
1 Female Tortoise Shell
2 Male Roberovsky Hamsters

just like to add to this over the free range issue,just because something is shops own brand doesnt mean its been kept/slaughtered or packaged any differently to say marks and sparks,i know this to be true from my 1st delightful job in quality control in a chicken factory,so dont be fooled into thinking if this costs more it must be kept in better conditions because thats rarely the case youre just paying for the name,back on to the subject altho i expect youve told your mum this but captive bred means theyve no idea what the outside would is,theyve never experienced it and wouldnt survive it,pet shops will always trade because reps make money,infact if we all said ok no more it would only send the wc market into a frenzy as cb would faze out,so while cb is around they need some ppl to care for them so better its ppl with views like ours who do our best to give them all we can than someone who thinks they can liberate them with certain death to follow,its quite early for such words tho lol

i am a mr, yes, well i think so.


i wasnt really refering to price, but the "bog standard" products, ie:normal price, and the cheap ones are USUALLY from battery/caged animals, and free range costs more.

i have noticed that recently, after the bbc did a thing about chickens wealfare, the major brands have been removing the legs of their chickens, to stop people seeing the hock burns. (recently=last year sometime)

whereas the more expencive alternative, finest, extra special and obviously free range still posess the lower limbs.

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2 Male Water Dragons
1 Male Berber Skink
1 Male Golden Retriever
2 Male Tabbies (One half Bengal)
1 Female Tortoise Shell
2 Male Roberovsky Hamsters

yeah ive watched some truely awful programmes i actually meant that unless its labelled free range then its pretty much kept in the same conditions,ppl often think if i buy from m n s its quality meat,so maybe i got my wires crossed lol,trouble of both these views on here 1 person can never make a difference,and its not likely to change either

i can see what you are saying, most of us question our purose from time to time, but i cirtanly wouldnt be happy in the hypothetical situation, think about it, when you are on holiday from work, and at home, youusually get bored, and want to go back before the week is out. and at home you are free to do whatever.

even thos signing their lives away for security have enrichment, they work, and in return they get said security would they be so keen if they were in solatary confinement.

would you like to be locked in algatraz, in the 40's (i dont use todays prison, because they are far too soft) 23hours a day in your cell, 1 hour exercise. meals delivered through the cell door. pens are banned, dangerous. you might get a book if you are lucky. you can write one letter a week under supervision. you get mail once a week.

wold you like that??

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i see what you mean, and tbh i thought that mns used quality free range meats anyway, but i havent been in there for more than 2 years :P

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mmmm the lovely harvest,my 1st job,didnt last long tho,yes been up ages even tho its half term,my neighbour has a pair of gsds that think i should be up at 7 lol,difficult situation with your mum im afraid she must take some comfort in knowing you keep your animals properly,maybe offer her a quick read it may not change her views but she may give the other side some thought

tell your mum that ur a great keeper, and the animals are in fantasmigorical conditions/enviroments so she can go moan at some other BAD keeper rather that a goodun with pretty WD's
:P
if she dont like it the slap her with a fish (free range, not tank one!)

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and thanks for the rep whoever it was, i got an idea
i want to give some to breezy, badgers mum and ssthisto, but it says i given out too much in the last 24 will try later .

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